Updated BST rules - no paypal friends & family payments allowed

Technically people asking for you to pay fees can have their PayPal status threatened as that's against the ToS as well. It's 2.9% + .30 cents of the cost of your items folks. Either eat that small loss, or price your items to reflect what you want after the fee.

exactly, and that's why we really didn't have a rule for it until recently because sending as F&F to people who weren't friends & family violated paypal's TOS as it is...

Technically people asking for you to pay fees can have their PayPal status threatened as that's against the ToS as well. It's 2.9% + .30 cents of the cost of your items folks. Either eat that small loss, or price your items to reflect what you want after the fee.

exactly, and that's why we really didn't have a rule for it until recently because sending as F&F to people who weren't friends & family violated paypal's TOS as it is...

It feels like I've been a bit paranoid with online sales in different areas as of late. For here and other forums I really have no pause for concern as I've never been given any cause for concern, but I had a pair of headphones I was selling off in another forum and got an offer from a person for a certain amount that wasn't out of line, but what was unusual was him offering to send a prepaid shipping label. Paypal lists it as a scam as the person could change the address and then claim it was never delivered. From what one USPS clerk told me a buyer could do the same, but I don't think she knew her salt so to speak. I reported the fellow on that forum, but I think they didn't take any action on him. At least to ban him. The fellow was active primarily in the BST forum there, good feedback, but no way in hell am I going to trust that scenario. He can't get a label any cheaper than I can, and reeks too much of a scam. I didn't accept his offer.

The age old saying of caveat emptor (let the buyer beware) is always wise advice, but caveat venditor (let the seller beware) is good advice to keep in mind for those of us selling too.

I feel bad for the folks that got scammed.

bumping this as people are still - SHOCKINGLY - asking/sending F&F payments for items they're selling....

bumping this as people are still - SHOCKINGLY - asking for F&F payments for items they're selling....

I have a question about the practice of saying "add 4% for fees" - is that allowed?

Personally, I don't see the point of doing that, just add the 4% yourself.

bumping this as people are still - SHOCKINGLY - asking for F&F payments for items they're selling....

I have a question about the practice of saying "add 4% for fees" - is that allowed?

Personally, I don't see the point of doing that, just add the 4% yourself.

Again, asking to pay for the fee's is against PayPal's terms, and thus isn't allowed. You're breaking the services agreements doing that. Paying F&F for a product is breaking T&C. It's the increasing trend to see people asking to be paid via F&F or to add the fees. With time they keep slowly creeping up. For myself I've steered clear of people's sales asking for F&F or to add the fee for G&S payment. It's saved me plenty of money. If it's something I really want, I'll pay the bit extra. I don't get it personally. Doing it on a forum site or elsewhere saves you so much money over doing it on eBay or something else. I'll gladly take the G&S ding for the added protection of the buyer. It's annoying, but it's not something I'm going to be ringing the moderators each time I see it. The only thing that makes me use eBay is it's much easier to give all the details I want in a better format. It's not easy doing that in a forum posting.

DFS is now big time - $1,000 is a felony offense.  Too bad some crooks have joined the friendly ranks of shaving forums.  

Sounds like another artisan had credit card fraud and the item now on eBay UK.

they targeted specific owners who were looking for high-end gear like wolfman razors and expensive brushes..

Do you know if there are recognizable pictures being used by this thief?

bumping this as people are still - SHOCKINGLY - asking for F&F payments for items they're selling....

Maybe it should be a bold banner below the 'no comments on pricing' blurb...

bumping this as people are still - SHOCKINGLY - asking for F&F payments for items they're selling....

I have a question about the practice of saying "add 4% for fees" - is that allowed?

Personally, I don't see the point of doing that, just add the 4% yourself.

no, it's against our bst rules: https://damnfineshave.com/announcement-bst-rules

if you see a thread asking as such, report it or send a link to myself or a mod and we'll take care of it.

bumping this as people are still - SHOCKINGLY - asking for F&F payments for items they're selling....

I have a question about the practice of saying "add 4% for fees" - is that allowed?

Personally, I don't see the point of doing that, just add the 4% yourself.

Again, asking to pay for the fee's is against PayPal's terms, and thus isn't allowed. You're breaking the services agreements doing that. Paying F&F for a product is breaking T&C. It's the increasing trend to see people asking to be paid via F&F or to add the fees. With time they keep slowly creeping up. For myself I've steered clear of people's sales asking for F&F or to add the fee for G&S payment. It's saved me plenty of money. If it's something I really want, I'll pay the bit extra. I don't get it personally. Doing it on a forum site or elsewhere saves you so much money over doing it on eBay or something else. I'll gladly take the G&S ding for the added protection of the buyer. It's annoying, but it's not something I'm going to be ringing the moderators each time I see it. The only thing that makes me use eBay is it's much easier to give all the details I want in a better format. It's not easy doing that in a forum posting.

good post and agreed - I'd rather pay the extra few bucks for an item than potentially lose X because someone scammed me...and then there's no recourse since you bypassed paypal's protections, unless perhaps you get your CC company or whatever to reverse the charge..

DFS is now big time - $1,000 is a felony offense.  Too bad some crooks have joined the friendly ranks of shaving forums.  

Sounds like another artisan had credit card fraud and the item now on eBay UK.

they targeted specific owners who were looking for high-end gear like wolfman razors and expensive brushes..

Do you know if there are recognizable pictures being used by this thief?

I don't know. personally I don't really look for super high-end gear.

when this issue was first brought to our attention, I did some digging and traced some steps and narrowed it down a bit, but because I could not be 100% certain with my assumptions, I did not name anyone nor will I...I cannot risk being hit with a libel or slander lawsuit for wrongly naming someone.

we would strongly caution EVERYONE to stop sending money as F&F and just pay the fees associated by using a paypal fee calculator: https://salecalc.com/paypal

bumping this as people are still - SHOCKINGLY - asking for F&F payments for items they're selling....

Maybe it should be a bold banner below the 'no comments on pricing' blurb...

I'll consider it.

bumping this again because yep, people are still sending F&F payments for high dollar items and then the item isn't showing up as expected.

going forward, if we see evidence of this happening, I'm going to issue immediate, no questions asked 30-day bans....

not only are you breaking the DFS rules, but you're also violating the paypal TOS...and I don't have the time to continually keep telling people to NOT SEND PAYMENTS AS FRIENDS & FAMILY. and yes, when this happens, people always - ALWAYS - ask us to try to help them..

We just issued our first ban to a user who was trying to subvert this rule...