#1,891
Not sure what is going on but this is the response from Will that Frank posted on Razor Brush that I was speaking about.

Let me tell you about the 1%. You've heard the phrase, "The squeaky wheel gets the grease?" It's true. But have you ever wondered why that is?

Because people like to belong. They like to be part of something. So when someone finds some reason to be upset, more and more people find that same reason to be upset. It's called "psychological priming," and is a well-known principle in marketing and customer service.

Honestly, we were screwed no matter what we did. We tried to do something nice in order to help Peter out so that he could get his feet on the ground and it blew up in our faces. People were pissed that they had to "pay for the privilege" of buying the soap. It didn't matter that there were other benefits, didn't matter that the price is a pittance compared to what the average wet shaving hobbyist spends on shipping in a month's time. All that mattered was the entry fee, the fact that Peter wanted money in exchange for the ability to purchase the product. Their rage threatened his business model, but, more importantly, it threatened us. There were a lot of people who were pissed off, who accused us of DARING to take part in such a thing. In trying to help Peter, who's a genuinely nice guy and is in way over his head, we were dealing with a live grenade without realizing it.

So we attempted to mitigate the damage. We chose the lesser of two evils. You see only that we didn't keep our word, and you're right. But we were trying to do right by our customers, who were whaling on both Peter and us. There was no right answer. There isn't. And we knew there were going to be people like you who were pissed off. But we had to contain as much of the damage as possible in order to keep it from becoming an incident.

Here's the truth: the wet shaving community has become so bitterly negative, so impossibly spoiled by the abundance of choices, that they collectively feel entitled to rant and rave and scream and cry until they get what they want, no matter how unreasonable. Yes, we gave in to the 1%. We did so to prevent it from becoming the 2%, the 5%, the 10%, the 25%. And I'm sorry that we upset you. I'm sorry that you feel cheated. Peter has informed me that he will reimburse you in some fashion, if you contact him about it. I'm happy to give you your money back for the soap. But, unless you are in a position whereby the screaming, angry, entitled bitching of the wet shaving community as a whole threatens your livelihood, give us a break, okay?


Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of B&M soaps and don't have an axe to grind here. I don't want anyone to think I'm starting trouble, just wanted to give context to my other post and did not want to be left hanging to be picked apart.
#1,892
Yeah I posted the remainder of the convo since there was question
#1,893
Personally? I think that is a very well thought out and informative response from Will and or Paula, and they admit guilt, and are sorry. What are we trying to do here?

If you feel like you are slighted enough to stop buying B&M, that's your choice. Vote with your wallet right? But I think Peters responses to his detractors are far far worse and come off as very immature and smart alecky. Not professional.

I for one will keep supporting Will.

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#1,894
(11-19-2016, 12:41 AM)UngerWoo Wrote: It's only shaving soap. Seems like a lot of drama for a relatively insignificant item that hopefully gives users a few minutes of pleasure each day. We're all lucky to be preoccupied with shave soap releases. And we're lucky to have so many great B&M scents available to us.
This is a great point. We are kinda spoiled little babies you know? We have such an abundance here with shave gear, particularly soap, why are we going to crucify Will over this ? Let's just all move on......
#1,895
And in my honest opinion, making a private message exchange PUBLIC is what I would call a dick move.

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#1,896

Member
NC
Agree about making it public being a nasty move. Who knows about the details but to use B and M talent or demand as main draw to a paid membership...would be kind of a d move too if that's how it happened. That would be kinda like a novice investor looking to ride a good tip and getting pissed when it doesnt go his way
#1,897

Member
Detroit
I agree 100% with Will's response.
- Jeff
#1,898
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(11-19-2016, 01:11 AM)New2theScene Wrote: Who knows about the details but to use B and M talent or demand as main draw to a paid membership...would be kind of a d move too if that's how it happened. That would be kinda like a novice investor looking to ride a good tip and getting pissed when it doesnt go his way

Well, that's the point of most businesses where the owner of business doesn't actually make/produce anything, isn't it? It obviously doesn't sit well with lots of people (including me), but a guy trying to create a business will obviously look for opportunities like that.

On the other hand, getting pissed and calling people names, that's a whole different story.
#1,899
(11-08-2016, 03:58 PM)Barrister_N_Mann Wrote:
(11-06-2016, 04:08 PM)Lloydw Wrote: Hi all -
do you know of any additions to the reserve product line - new scents? Target release?

Thanks for info

(11-06-2016, 09:22 PM)wyze0ne Wrote: Lloydw, Lavender and Fern are the other two scents. AFAIK, they are still slated for release this month. Hopefully anyway!

(11-06-2016, 11:18 PM)BoarderPhreak Wrote:
(11-06-2016, 04:08 PM)Lloydw Wrote: Hi all -
do you know of any additions to the reserve product line - new scents? Target release?

Thanks for info


Two more are coming...  Lavender and Fern.  Originally scheduled for October, then November.  I think they're pushed back a bit more now.

Lavender and Fern are indeed on the docket, but have been delayed until next year while we work out some production problems. Getting this whole thing to run smoothly has proven to be quite a process, and we're not entirely there yet.

(11-19-2016, 12:51 AM)Prickles Wrote: Not sure what is going on but this is the response from Will that Frank posted on Razor Brush that I was speaking about.

Let me tell you about the 1%. You've heard the phrase, "The squeaky wheel gets the grease?" It's true. But have you ever wondered why that is?

Because people like to belong. They like to be part of something. So when someone finds some reason to be upset, more and more people find that same reason to be upset. It's called "psychological priming," and is a well-known principle in marketing and customer service.

Honestly, we were screwed no matter what we did. We tried to do something nice in order to help Peter out so that he could get his feet on the ground and it blew up in our faces. People were pissed that they had to "pay for the privilege" of buying the soap. It didn't matter that there were other benefits, didn't matter that the price is a pittance compared to what the average wet shaving hobbyist spends on shipping in a month's time. All that mattered was the entry fee, the fact that Peter wanted money in exchange for the ability to purchase the product. Their rage threatened his business model, but, more importantly, it threatened us. There were a lot of people who were pissed off, who accused us of DARING to take part in such a thing. In trying to help Peter, who's a genuinely nice guy and is in way over his head, we were dealing with a live grenade without realizing it.

So we attempted to mitigate the damage. We chose the lesser of two evils. You see only that we didn't keep our word, and you're right. But we were trying to do right by our customers, who were whaling on both Peter and us. There was no right answer. There isn't. And we knew there were going to be people like you who were pissed off. But we had to contain as much of the damage as possible in order to keep it from becoming an incident.

Here's the truth: the wet shaving community has become so bitterly negative, so impossibly spoiled by the abundance of choices, that they collectively feel entitled to rant and rave and scream and cry until they get what they want, no matter how unreasonable. Yes, we gave in to the 1%. We did so to prevent it from becoming the 2%, the 5%, the 10%, the 25%. And I'm sorry that we upset you. I'm sorry that you feel cheated. Peter has informed me that he will reimburse you in some fashion, if you contact him about it. I'm happy to give you your money back for the soap. But, unless you are in a position whereby the screaming, angry, entitled bitching of the wet shaving community as a whole threatens your livelihood, give us a break, okay?


Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of B&M soaps and don't have an axe to grind here. I don't want anyone to think I'm starting trouble, just wanted to give context to my other post and did not want to be left hanging to be picked apart.

Appreciate the context.

To me, it sounds like he is genuinely frustrated, but it is a point in time thing. If you know Will, he's generally an insightful and positive person. He's also very professional. I think even that response, though obvious in frustration, is still professional. There are plenty of really low ways he could have responded.

Not really responding to you personally about your feelings, just expressing my own viewpoint.
#1,900
Can't wait to purchase all 3 soaps and splashes from B&M on Tuesday Will and Paula are good people.


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