#801
Quote:It not meant to sell cheap. Thats not their market. "Many balk at the $300 price point.  But Tod is very up-front and specific about OneBlade’s targeted market.  “ ... an older ... executive type who doesn’t have an issue with price ...”  “Enthusiast” wet shavers ... in the end a somewhat limited market for the OneBlade."

I think grim hit the nail right on the head: While some of us enthusiasts appreciate the shave the razor gives, we're NOT their target market. I'd venture to say that most of the purchasers are the executive type who don't know-or care to know-about the many variations of good razors and blades available today. They're not interested in razors that require practice, technique, etc. They're more than happy to have one razor, use one blade, get a very good shave, and be done with it.

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All the best,

Michael P
#802
(This post was last modified: 11-05-2016, 05:38 AM by bakerbarber.)
Most people who are thought of as executive type haven't gotten independently wealthy and successful by throwing money at things.

$400 probably isn't an issue worth extensive research and deliberation to a multi-millionaire. They likely wouldn't be swayed by the imminent danger of a $100 price increase either.

Any you fellows who got the email multi-millionaires? That message read like a pitch aimed at the executive type longing with pangs of hunger for the bestest of the new new best besty cross our heart honestly this is better best now?

It's aimed at anyone and everyone who has a pulse and a PayPal account.

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Shave yourself.
-Todd
#803
(11-05-2016, 04:08 AM)Michael P Wrote: I think grim hit the nail right on the head: While some of us enthusiasts appreciate the shave the razor gives, we're NOT their target market. I'd venture to say that most of the purchasers are the executive type who don't know-or care to know-about the many variations of good razors and blades available today.  

Its even deeper than that.

First, the pricing strategy. People LOVE Heart a bargain.  Smile They WANT and CRAVE to know they got a deal. Two examples

Bed, Bath, and Beyond. Who goes in there without a 20% off coupon? Anyone? Huh Those prices aren’t the real prices. You KNOW that if you see a Coffee Maker for $40 on Amazon and $50 at some other store, $40 is closer to reality. If you walk into BBY without the coupons they keep sending you, then YOUR mistake. Rolleyes

JC Penny. They killed the coupons. Didn’t work to well for them did it? So they brought the coupons back knowing the prices are inflated.

http://business.time.com/2012/01/26/in-m...ke-prices/

“Less than 1% of J.C. Penney’s revenues come from items bought at full price. By contrast, nearly three-quarters of merchandise sold by the department store chain is discounted by at least 50% off.”

http://business.time.com/2013/05/02/jc-p...of-course/

“… at first glance, it appears as if the sales are back in a big way”

If you are complaining about the prices, then you might want to understand how marketing is done as obviously list price is not the real price. WHEN is the last time anyone bought a car at full Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price (MSRP)? If you did, then they saw you coming in the door. If you paid $299, then you weren’t researching it enough to get the discounts. Mad

Second, is the bundled items.  What are they selling? Castle Forbes. Think about this. CF is a strong scent,  you know what you are using. And its simple, Lavender, Lime, and Cedar/Sandalwood. The latter is not a pure Mysore sandalwood but mellowed by the cedar.  It’s none of this 12 different scent “walking in the rain in the sping” stuff. It’s SIMPLE and STRONG. Who doesn’t understand Lime? Lavender? Wood? Anyone not know these scents?

Remember the target audience. Shaving cream is shaving cream. Do you really thing their target cares about testing 100 different soaps? Its shaving cream. Duh.  So what do they do when they run out? Do they go looking for some internet specialist store focusing on wet shaving? Of course not, the go to Amazon and find … WOW LIME!  I like Limes. Exclamation  And remember, CF is not cheap stuff, but its quality stuff.

Third is the blades everyone complains about. Think about your smart phone. We all know the money isn’t in the hardware but in the service. So they jumped on the convenience. I haven’t got time to go searching and trying different blades. I got stuff to do. Just mail me the right blades every month. It’s no different than your data plan or ANY service you get one on your house (e.g., contracted service plans from gardeners to maids to Air Conditioning service).

Oh wait, you say. WHO HAS A MAID? Confused  Duh. Think about it the target audience. You would be amazed out how many people hire lawn services to mow their lawn and maid companies to clean the house once/a week. LOOK around. They exist. And no you don’t have to be a millionaire to have someone else mow the lawn. Hyperbole.

Last is the concept of buying a lifetime tool. I’ve bought some Sear's tools and will never buy another tool. If it breaks, they give me a new one. Smile  I learned decades ago you buy ONE thing ONCE, obviously at a higher price, and its CHEAPER than buying 5 things that break over time.  Buying a cheaper tool 5 times is a recipe for staying poor.

Now tie that into the last concept of … this is a mundane task. Just get it over with quickly.

1. Lifetime tool
2. Quality Shaving Cream in simple scents
3. Blades contracted to arrive once a month (just like cell phone data)

Done.

THAT is the target audience.  

It’s not a hobby to this audience.

It’s not “fun”.

It’s work.

And don’t think “executive” means multimillionaires. I don’t.  Its ANYONE who thinks shaving it just a pain, don’t want to be bothered with it, want it simplified, but not use a cartridge, but probably middle-income enough to have disposable income to pay ~ $40/month for consumables. The sunk cost is known and done. Its no different than buying a $100 wallet that lasts 40 years rather than a $20 wallet (rising with inflation) you  replace every 4 years and really spent $200. It’s a FALSE economy.

And it’s quite possible, that’s not people like us obsessed with trying 200 soaps (yes guilty Blush ) or own 40 brushes, etc. Its very likely we are NOT their target and therefore the comments really don't apply.

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#804
I for sure will not be their target, for example My Rockwell 6s ($80), Supply Provision Injector 3 plates ($75), Razorock Wunderbar ($130) are all stainless steel probably 5 generations life long tools same as the One Blade and SS material and yet all 3 of them cost $285 vs $400. Even if I add the Rockwell Model T to the price it will still be less than the One Blade price. I actually like so much the Gem razors that I have of total 8 of them in great to very good shape MMOC, MMBT, MMCP, ER 1912 Junior, ER 1912 (Non Junior more aggressive head), ER Shovel head, ER 1914 and still when I add up all these razors price just goes a tad bit over the One Blade $400 price tag. Sure the Rockwell Model T and the Gem razors are not SS but brass, but in no doubt they will out live me and possibly another 2-3 generations more at least, that is if after I die someone decides they are junk and dumps them in the garbage lol.

I'm so happy with these razors that I have no need to buy any more because there is a long wait in between the rotation.... that's why I passed on buying the Wolfman razors and I was one of the chosen ones on the list 3 moths a go.

If I do ever buy a razor again, either have to be GEM SS adjustable that wont break the bank but will be MIM same as the Rockwell and Supply Provision, but got no interest in spending more money and I already have close to 20 razors, bunch of blades, 4-5 soaps, 4-5 creams, 5 after shaves and 1 balm, and believe it or not for someone that only uses cartridge razors, 1 shaving gel, 1 after shave and maybe balm, when they see what I have shaving wise inventory they get immediate headache, I laugh so hard because I know forum members here have over 3000 razors, 200-300 soaps, well lets just say they invested into shaving/collecting/hobby $10.000....

What I'm trying to say I rather keep this at bay and let it be hobby, but not some sort of obsession that I lose control over it. The One blade in my eyes belongs to the obsession category, just an opinion, don't mean to offend anyone.

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#805
If you believe the oneblade is an obsession, then you completely miss the point. The "average" owner of the "target" audience probably has one razor, maybe two shaving creams, and one brush. Nothing more is needed. Its for a mundane, everyday task - not a hobby. You're just not getting it. You have to look at the POV of the target audience.

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#806

Member
Atlanta, GA
(11-05-2016, 06:47 PM)grim Wrote: The "average" owner of the "target" audience probably has one razor, maybe two shaving creams, and one brush. Nothing more is needed. Its for a mundane, everyday task - not a hobby. You're just not getting it. You have to look at the POV of the target audience.

I agree. Their target audience does not read a shaving forum nor care anything about reading one. They are not trying to appeal to person that buys vintage on Ebay or one that joins a wait list or kick starter. Will OB be successful? I have no idea. I don't think the new avg selling price will be much different than the previous version.

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Clint
#807
I wish I could make a more informed comment on the latest email pitch, but even after buying several OneBlades, and being on their list, I haven't gotten the email yet!
All the best,

Michael P
#808
(11-05-2016, 06:47 PM)grim Wrote: If you believe the oneblade is an obsession, then you completely miss the point. The "average" owner of the "target" audience probably has one  razor, maybe two shaving creams, and one brush. Nothing more is needed. Its for a mundane, everyday task - not a hobby.  You're just not getting it. You have to look at the POV of the target audience.
I didn't said the product is the one to be blamed, its the buyer who is overwhelmed by its hobby. If you think a regular Joe who shaved all his life with carts and electric razor will go for 300-400 bucks razor you are wrong. OB company are targeting the forums audience because its the only audience itching to grab the wallet and try the new kid on the block.

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#809

Administrator
Philadelphia, PA
we can discuss the oneblade in a cordial manner without attacking one another, I'd like to think...
Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito.
#810
This is pretty crazy how the Oneblade turned out. Very interesting thread.


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