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Razor arrived today. Will get my first shave on with it tomorrow.[Image: 4e6ab246dab5deb225599eed7490c8e2.jpg][Image: 7aaba1995607b603c8432eb5d67c2340.jpg]

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(11-04-2019, 11:08 PM)ScientificShaves Wrote: Not at all. The only time I ever have to pay "extra" attention is when I am shaving my mustache. It is sparse enough that at any blade gap it tends to snag there. Other wise I tried it business as usual. If anything I have to pay more attention shaving with the Rocnel 2.1mm then I do the 1.55 WR2. First time with the Rocnel I treated it business as usual and nicked myself at least 10 times on my troublesome neck.

Afterward I applied my Extreme Efficiency shave technique and the Rocnel 2.1mm was tamed. I find the 1.55 to be very safe so much so I asked for a 1.85mm but was denied.

Extreme Efficiency Shave Technique? Elaborate, please.

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(11-05-2019, 01:56 AM)txiab Wrote: Razor arrived today. Will get my first shave on with it tomorrow.[Image: 4e6ab246dab5deb225599eed7490c8e2.jpg][Image: 7aaba1995607b603c8432eb5d67c2340.jpg]

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What’s the gap and is that basic matte finish?


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(This post was last modified: 11-05-2019, 05:12 AM by txiab.)
It's the 1.05. It's the "brushed satin" finish. The one that costs a little more.

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(11-05-2019, 01:56 AM)LOOT Wrote:
(11-04-2019, 11:08 PM)ScientificShaves Wrote: Not at all. The only time I ever have to pay "extra" attention is when I am shaving my mustache. It is sparse enough that at any blade gap it tends to snag there. Other wise I tried it business as usual. If anything I have to pay more attention shaving with the Rocnel 2.1mm then I do the 1.55 WR2. First time with the Rocnel I treated it business as usual and nicked myself at least 10 times on my troublesome neck.

Afterward I applied my Extreme Efficiency shave technique and the Rocnel 2.1mm was tamed. I find the 1.55 to be very safe so much so I asked for a 1.85mm but was denied.

Extreme Efficiency Shave Technique? Elaborate, please.

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Hi Loot! Thanks for the interest. I am not sure how well it would serve everyone on the forum as it is sort of elaborate but I will try my best, might also start a tread on it for additional questions, so as not to clog up the Wolfman Thread.

So the Extreme Efficiency Shave Technique (normally I would spell the Extreme this way in my wind eXtreme) is about getting the longest lasting shave physically possible whilst being as safe and smooth as possible.

I had originally developed the technique after having had read Dragonsbeard, Frank, Skin Stretch Short Stroke technique which intrigue me into trying various different things outside of a standard WTG, XTG, ATG pattern.

I then spent the greater part of half a year to develop my own technique, it took this long as I only shave two times a week normally, which I had to lower to once a week to better gauge how the technique works.

First I did a tone mapping of my face by using the mildest shaver I had and then allowing for half a days growth (enough to wear if you rub your beard against your skin it can cause a friction burn).

At that point I started to section off my face and took many before and after photos on my 8k camera that I now lend out most of the year to various artists as a second means of income. Each section I noted down the pattern I used to see how long each side last for each technique. The photos were taken every hour as much as possible and every 3 hours when I was sleeping. I then noted down which pattern had the closest looking shave and also how long each patch of skin area stayed BBS for the longest. My goal in this however was not to use 1,000 plus patterns to get 100% perfect shave. But to determine the best pattern that got me 96+ % there in 5 patterns or less.

Below is an image of a popular skin mapping image with roughly 32 zones. The one I made for myself had over 70 which is what I meant by 98% I don't think you can reach the potential of near 100% longest lasting possible BBS without addressing each zone individually which is too cumbersome to do.

[Image: W5TKz9b.jpg]

I, eventually, settled on doing the following. My first past is a Diagonal Path that forms an X when shaving. For example my beard I think is quite typical in which the sides are diagonal facing their respective location while towards the center it is the typical north to south direction. So for the left side of my beard, growing diagonally left, I shave in a north to south pattern diagonally right forming many mini X's due to the short stroke nature of the technique. I apply this same pattern / pathway across my entire shave for the first past. For those wondering which direction to use for a growth that is typically north to south (straight down) take a picture and see if you have more left diagonal stragglers or right diagonal ones and use the opposite direction. The point of the X pattern is to cleave the hairs much like a guillotine or a slant razor. The blade will have an easier time cutting through and dulls less quickly this way. The efficiency of this first pass I would put in a similar vein to doing both and WTG & XTG but in only one pass. Saving not only time but also cutting down on irritation as you know have once less pass in your shave; this is all dependent though. I then do a follow up pass in an X pattern in the opposite direction but against the grain; so a south to north pattern. With just the two patterns I mainly achieve a high level DFS. What makes it a BBS is what is done in between the patterns.

First off I never ever fully load my brush. I load enough for one pass maximal because I find there are two kinds of lather within the brush. The first being a cushion based one and the later being quite slicker. I take advantage of both of those lather during my shaves. The cushion based one is the own everyone typically uses and the slicker one is the lather that is held within the knot; for those who rings our their lather before washing their brush you know what I am taking about. I use the brush and paint on the lather as I normally do but once done I ring out the slicker lather to buff some of the easier area to buff. The lather allows me to glide my hand over each area so I can better feel the stubble and the blade glides easier too so you can get a slicker and often deeper buffing. This also allows me to be aware of how my shave is progressing as I am always feeling for stubble between each pass. I do not buff every area only the ones with the most protrusions. I leave the smaller one for latter to see if my south to north pattern kills it therefore lessening irritation as I didn't needlessly buff it.

The importance of only loading once is also for the second pass as I am always working with optimum lather for the job. Since with the first pass I am not out of lather I re-lather my brush. And I now start the south to north X pattern but with a highly cushioned lather vs the lower cushioned lather you would normally get due to using most of your lather in your previous pass. So in the end my shave looks like North to South X -> Buff -> South to North X -> Touch-up / Buff. I get the longest lasting shave this way whilst also being extremely safe. The X pattern is so efficient that at all times you are working with the least amount of stubble possible for each pass. So you are less likely to nick yourself as you are working on a smoother surface, the blade has less micro burring on it from the cleaving action so is sharper and more even, and you are always working with the best lather possible; cushion lather for each pass and slick lather for the buffing and touch ups.

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(11-05-2019, 07:03 AM)ScientificShaves Wrote:
(11-05-2019, 01:56 AM)LOOT Wrote:
(11-04-2019, 11:08 PM)ScientificShaves Wrote: Not at all. The only time I ever have to pay "extra" attention is when I am shaving my mustache. It is sparse enough that at any blade gap it tends to snag there. Other wise I tried it business as usual. If anything I have to pay more attention shaving with the Rocnel 2.1mm then I do the 1.55 WR2. First time with the Rocnel I treated it business as usual and nicked myself at least 10 times on my troublesome neck.

Afterward I applied my Extreme Efficiency shave technique and the Rocnel 2.1mm was tamed. I find the 1.55 to be very safe so much so I asked for a 1.85mm but was denied.

Extreme Efficiency Shave Technique? Elaborate, please.

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Hi Loot! Thanks for the interest. I am not sure how well it would serve everyone on the forum as it is sort of elaborate but I will try my best, might also start a tread on it for additional questions, so as not to clog up the Wolfman Thread.

So the Extreme Efficiency Shave Technique (normally I would spell the Extreme this way in my wind eXtreme) is about getting the longest lasting shave physically possible whilst being as safe and smooth as possible.

I had originally developed the technique after having had read Dragonsbeard, Frank, Skin Stretch Short Stroke technique which intrigue me into trying various different things outside of a standard WTG, XTG, ATG pattern.

I then spent the greater part of half a year to develop my own technique, it took this long as I only shave two times a week normally, which I had to lower to once a week to better gauge how the technique works.

First I did a tone mapping of my face by using the mildest shaver I had and then allowing for half a days growth (enough to wear if you rub your beard against your skin it can cause a friction burn).

At that point I started to section off my face and took many before and after photos on my 8k camera that I now lend out most of the year to various artists as a second means of income. Each section I noted down the pattern I used to see how long each side last for each technique. The photos were taken every hour as much as possible and every 3 hours when I was sleeping. I then noted down which pattern had the closest looking shave and also how long each patch of skin area stayed BBS for the longest. My goal in this however was not to use 1,000 plus patterns to get 100% perfect shave. But to determine the best pattern that got me 96+ % there in 5 patterns or less.

Below is an image of a popular skin mapping image with roughly 32 zones. The one I made for myself had over 70 which is what I meant by 98% I don't think you can reach the potential of near 100% longest lasting possible BBS without addressing each zone individually which is too cumbersome to do.

[Image: W5TKz9b.jpg]

I, eventually, settled on doing the following. My first past is a Diagonal Path that forms an X when shaving. For example my beard I think is quite typical in which the sides are diagonal facing their respective location while towards the center it is the typical north to south direction. So for the left side of my beard, growing diagonally left, I shave in a north to south pattern diagonally right forming many mini X's due to the short stroke nature of the technique. I apply this same pattern / pathway across my entire shave for the first past. For those wondering which direction to use for a growth that is typically north to south (straight down) take a picture and see if you have more left diagonal stragglers or right diagonal ones and use the opposite direction. The point of the X pattern is to cleave the hairs much like a guillotine or a slant razor. The blade will have an easier time cutting through and dulls less quickly this way. The efficiency of this first pass I would put in a similar vein to doing both and WTG & XTG but in only one pass. Saving not only time but also cutting down on irritation as you know have once less pass in your shave; this is all dependent though. I then do a follow up pass in an X pattern in the opposite direction but against the grain; so a south to north pattern. With just the two patterns I mainly achieve a high level DFS. What makes it a BBS is what is done in between the patterns.

First off I never ever fully load my brush. I load enough for one pass maximal because I find there are two kinds of lather within the brush. The first being a cushion based one and the later being quite slicker. I take advantage of both of those lather during my shaves. The cushion based one is the own everyone typically uses and the slicker one is the lather that is held within the knot; for those who rings our their lather before washing their brush you know what I am taking about. I use the brush and paint on the lather as I normally do but once done I ring out the slicker lather to buff some of the easier area to buff. The lather allows me to glide my hand over each area so I can better feel the stubble and the blade glides easier too so you can get a slicker and often deeper buffing. This also allows me to be aware of how my shave is progressing as I am always feeling for stubble between each pass. I do not buff every area only the ones with the most protrusions. I leave the smaller one for latter to see if my south to north pattern kills it therefore lessening irritation as I didn't needlessly buff it.

The importance of only loading once is also for the second pass as I am always working with optimum lather for the job. Since with the first pass I am not out of lather I re-lather my brush. And I now start the south to north X pattern but with a highly cushioned lather vs the lower cushioned lather you would normally get due to using most of your lather in your previous pass. So in the end my shave looks like North to South X -> Buff -> South to North X -> Touch-up / Buff. I get the longest lasting shave this way whilst also being extremely safe. The X pattern is so efficient that at all times you are working with the least amount of stubble possible for each pass. So you are less likely to nick yourself as you are working on a smoother surface, the blade has less micro burring on it from the cleaving action so is sharper and more even, and you are always working with the best lather possible; cushion lather for each pass and slick lather for the buffing and touch ups.

Interesting. It's kinda crazy how different we all are. So many variables to play with in the process.

Thanks for taking the time to explain.

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Very interesting Henery. Your screen name, ScientificShaves turns out to be appropriate based on your level of curiosity and experimentation. I won't go to the 'extreme' of photographing my results, but I will try introducing some of your techniques into my routine.
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(11-05-2019, 05:10 AM)txiab Wrote: It's the 1.05. It's the "brushed satin" finish. The one that costs a little more.

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That is what I ordered for my DC 1.15/1.25 OC/SB received a couple of months ago. It really is beautiful. Worth the extra $ IMHO.
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(This post was last modified: 11-05-2019, 03:55 PM by Starman.)
+1,

I find the Satin Matte by far the nicest finish,
Not a fan of the Mirror Bling finish

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(11-05-2019, 02:20 PM)LOOT Wrote:
(11-05-2019, 07:03 AM)ScientificShaves Wrote:
(11-05-2019, 01:56 AM)LOOT Wrote: Extreme Efficiency Shave Technique? Elaborate, please.

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Edited out for length sake.

Interesting. It's kinda crazy how different we all are. So many variables to play with in the process.

Thanks for taking the time to explain.

Indeed! I love it. It is so interesting all the technique that are out there and it keeps things interesting. Lord knows how many are still unknown or others are using but are keeping to themselves. Sames goes for lathering probably 100's of different way to create a lather. I demand a shaving encyclopedia be made LOL Smile

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