SN putting cap prices on M&F brushes

I understand your point Peter NeoXerxes . You are correct, there aren't easy solutions for every situation. Perhaps we're over thinking this whole thing in the first place. I believe the TSN rule is simply an attempt to encourage people to sell things for a fair price to a friend and nothing more, rather than some massive over-reach or power grab by the administrators to control everything on the site, and whether you believe as I do or not, that underlying principle has merit. As you, and others mentioned previously, you enjoy PIFing shaving supplies, in my opinion, the rule is simply an extension of this ideal, giving a friend a good price on something that you understandably can't part with, without financial compensation. Anyway, the funny thing about the discussion we are having is that in the vast majority of cases this underlying principle of the rule is borne out, the members sell for fair prices because they are good people and expect the same in return. I feel this guiding principle gets at the heart and soul of what a shaving forum should be all about. Now my friend, let's get back to discussing lathers, or something else that is more fun! Peace out.

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Thanks Claus! I have been wondering what in the world has been going in for quite some time.


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Yes the old supply and demand thing. Sellers don't set selling prices. They set asking prices. Only the buyer can decide if he is willing to pay the asking price. If no buyers do then the price will come down. It's called a free market. Apparently they do not support the concept there.

my personal opinion is that a seller should be able to ask any price they want, for whatever they want. forums, ebay, craigslist, etc., help set the market for each item available. if a buyer deems it to be an appropriate price that they're willing to pay, then they'll buy it up. if the price is too high, then the item simply will not sell.

I'm not sure why someone would get upset if a buyer is willing to pay a premium on a product (M&F brush since it's the topic at hand) that isn't easily obtainable for a lot of people, from my understanding.

on the flip side, does anyone get upset when they just scored an item for way less than you know its worth? my guess is probably not...

my personal opinion is that a seller should be able to ask any price they want, for whatever they want.  forums, ebay, craigslist, etc., help set the market for each item available.  if a buyer deems it to be an appropriate price that they're willing to pay, then they'll buy it up.  if the price is too high, then the item simply will not sell.

I'm not sure why someone would get upset if a buyer is willing to pay a premium on a product (M&F brush since it's the topic at hand) that isn't easily obtainable for a lot of people, from my understanding.

on the flip side, does anyone get upset when they just scored an item for way less than you know its worth?  my guess is probably not...

Actually, we discussed that and I think that, yes, when something is sold inexpensively here, or most other sites, there are always several who will chime in with something like, "That's a terrific deal", etc.

I can accept your premise for places like eBay, craigslist, and places like it but I still think that a hobbyist forum like ours should be a little different.  On some sites, caps are in place while here at DFS they are not.  However, the whole idea of a hobbyist site is to promote camaraderie through a common interest, not necessarily to make the biggest profit one can.  If a very large profit is the motive then eBay is there.

I see both sides. This issue is just one of many that make me very happy that I am not a mod or admin here. I don;t envy you your job...

With that said, it is pretty easy in a forum this size to read through classifieds and see who is a contributing member of the community and who is looking to just make a sale. That definitely plays a role in whether or not I would be willing to buy something from someone, or trade, for that matter. Participating members with frequent visits, and memorable, quality posts are here for the community, no matter how much they charge for an item they are selling.

Joe Schmoe that made a couple of argumentative posts, and wants to sell his unobtanium doesnt usually get a second look from me...not even with a really good deal...

my personal opinion is that a seller should be able to ask any price they want, for whatever they want.  forums, ebay, craigslist, etc., help set the market for each item available.  if a buyer deems it to be an appropriate price that they're willing to pay, then they'll buy it up.  if the price is too high, then the item simply will not sell.

I'm not sure why someone would get upset if a buyer is willing to pay a premium on a product (M&F brush since it's the topic at hand) that isn't easily obtainable for a lot of people, from my understanding.

on the flip side, does anyone get upset when they just scored an item for way less than you know its worth?  my guess is probably not...

Actually, we discussed that and I think that, yes, when something is sold inexpensively here, or most other sites, there are always several who will chime in with something like, "That's a terrific deal", etc.

I can accept your premise for places like eBay, craigslist, and places like it but I still think that a hobbyist forum like ours should be a little different.  On some sites, caps are in place while here at DFS they are not.  However, the whole idea of a hobbyist site is to promote camaraderie through a common interest, not necessarily to make the biggest profit one can.  If a very large profit is the motive then eBay is there.

that's the point I'm trying to make. people are ok with saving money on items, but not when someone makes money on items...from people who are willing to pay the premium on their own?

my personal opinion is that a seller should be able to ask any price they want, for whatever they want.  forums, ebay, craigslist, etc., help set the market for each item available.  if a buyer deems it to be an appropriate price that they're willing to pay, then they'll buy it up.  if the price is too high, then the item simply will not sell.

I'm not sure why someone would get upset if a buyer is willing to pay a premium on a product (M&F brush since it's the topic at hand) that isn't easily obtainable for a lot of people, from my understanding.

on the flip side, does anyone get upset when they just scored an item for way less than you know its worth?  my guess is probably not...

Actually, we discussed that and I think that, yes, when something is sold inexpensively here, or most other sites, there are always several who will chime in with something like, "That's a terrific deal", etc.

I can accept your premise for places like eBay, craigslist, and places like it but I still think that a hobbyist forum like ours should be a little different.  On some sites, caps are in place while here at DFS they are not.  However, the whole idea of a hobbyist site is to promote camaraderie through a common interest, not necessarily to make the biggest profit one can.  If a very large profit is the motive then eBay is there.

that's the point I'm trying to make. people are ok with saving money on items, but not when someone makes money on items...from people who are willing to pay the premium on their own?

That brings me back to my initial reasoning for disliking such rules.

On the surface they do seem to foster a community spirit by giving the impression of always getting "The Bro Deal".

But in practice, I cant get past what, to me at least, feels like an effort to control profits from members so that the forum and paying vendors will always have the upper hand in market transactions.

This is the internet and we can all find just about anything we want. But most of us dont look very hard, and there are quite a few folks that land on a big forum, and never venture further. Of course, the forum wants this, because that generates ad money and market value. But its unhealthy for the individual stuck there, even if they dont know it. Pricing in the bst is manipulated. Information in the general forum is manipulated. Moderators are instructed to silence nay-sayers and advocate paid vendors. Its all about money.

When something so big is so clearly about money in every other decision they make, its really hard to swallow the pill that says price caps are a community benefit.

I see how it can be on the surface, and thats great, but the seedy underbelly that is hidden and manipulated behind the scenes makes me cringe...

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Actually, we discussed that and I think that, yes, when something is sold inexpensively here, or most other sites, there are always several who will chime in with something like, "That's a terrific deal", etc.

I can accept your premise for places like eBay, craigslist, and places like it but I still think that a hobbyist forum like ours should be a little different.  On some sites, caps are in place while here at DFS they are not.  However, the whole idea of a hobbyist site is to promote camaraderie through a common interest, not necessarily to make the biggest profit one can.  If a very large profit is the motive then eBay is there.

that's the point I'm trying to make.  people are ok with saving money on items, but not when someone makes money on items...from people who are willing to pay the premium on their own?

That brings me back to my initial reasoning for disliking such rules.

On the surface they do seem to foster a community spirit by giving the impression of always getting "The Bro Deal".

But in practice, I cant get past what, to me at least, feels like an effort to control profits from members so that the forum and paying vendors will always have the upper hand in market transactions.

This is the internet and we can all find just about anything we want. But most of us dont look very hard, and there are quite a few folks that land on a big forum, and never venture further. Of course, the forum wants this, because that generates ad money and market value. But its unhealthy for the individual stuck there, even if they dont know it. Pricing in the bst is manipulated. Information in the general forum is manipulated. Moderators are instructed to silence nay-sayers and advocate paid vendors. Its all about money.

When something so big is so clearly about money in every other decision they make, its really hard to swallow the pill that says price caps are a community benefit.

I see how it can be on the surface, and thats great, but the seedy underbelly that is hidden and manipulated behind the scenes makes me cringe...

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BadDad, andrewjs18, and others, I truly see both sides of this issue and both sides have some merit, as far as I am concerned.  As I have stated before, ideally there should be a sense of fair play without the need for caps, hidden agendas, or the like.  So far, DFS has shown that pretty consistently and as long as we, the members, continue to act as we have then I have no problem with the status quo.  May it always be.

Perfect response Freddy. It's nice to have the ability to discuss things without mods jumping the gun straight into ban mode.