#11

Chazz Reinhold HOF
It is big competition for sure. But again, the day I worry about prices or how much I'm going to be in the hole after the fact, that's the day I'll just PIF all this junk and grow a long beard and forget it about it, lol......

Life is too short. Stay thirsty my friends!

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#12

Chazz Reinhold HOF
I understand, but their attitude and behavior doesn't affect me. I show my satisfaction or lack there of with my wallet. Whatever beef vendors have among themselves is irrelevant to me, and to make it a personal issue would be a waste of my time.

But I thought the OP was talking about the value and prices, now I'm confused, lol....

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#13

That Bald Guy with the Big Beard
Bishop, CA
Have I missed something here? I thought the op was about putting a cap on the price of goods sold in the bst on a different forum. Am I wrong?

To that end, it is common practice on all the forums that are owned and/or paid for by vendors. It rides right up there with not allowing honest discussions and reviews. Its just the way it works when a forum is more focused on making money and selling prosucts than it is on forming a community and helping people.

There is an easy way to avoid the bad taste those questionable ethics leave in your mouth...


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#14
I have bought more than a dozen brushes from Lee Sabini. I no longer wish to do business with the man. I never ever paid more than £100/$145 for a brush. Not even the 2-band 3XL's

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Cheers, Claus from Denmark
#15
By the way I like that you have to mention what you paid new for the items you sell on The Nook

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#16

Restitutor Orbis
(05-18-2016, 02:35 AM)CHSeifert Wrote: I have bought more than a dozen brushes from Lee Sabini. I no longer wish to do business with the man. I never ever paid more than £100/$145 for a brush. Not even the 2-band 3XL's

You're lucky Claus. The guy never responded to me, I guess I'm such a small fish.

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#17

Posting Freak
Canada
(This post was last modified: 05-18-2016, 04:49 AM by celestino.)
(05-17-2016, 11:32 PM)BadDad Wrote: I cant imagine spending half a month's rent on a shaving brush...boggles my mind... Huh
You haven't lived in Vancouver, I see. That would be around 1/4 of the price for one month's rent, these days! Big Grin


(05-18-2016, 03:28 AM)Aurelian28 Wrote: You're lucky Claus. The guy never responded to me, I guess I'm such a small fish.
Don't worry. I am an even smaller fish. I tried three times, myself. Big Grin

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Celestino
Love, Laughter & Shaving  Heart
#18
(05-18-2016, 01:27 AM)BadDad Wrote: Have I missed something here? I thought the op was about putting a cap on the price of goods sold in the bst on a different forum. Am I wrong?

To that end, it is common practice on all the forums that are owned and/or paid for by vendors. It rides right up there with not allowing honest discussions and reviews. Its just the way it works when a forum is more focused on making money and selling prosucts than it is on forming a community and helping people.

There is an easy way to avoid the bad taste those questionable ethics leave in your mouth...


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Cheers,
Ted

Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.  Winston Churchill

#19
(05-18-2016, 03:28 AM)Aurelian28 Wrote:
(05-18-2016, 02:35 AM)CHSeifert Wrote: I have bought more than a dozen brushes from Lee Sabini. I no longer wish to do business with the man. I never ever paid more than £100/$145 for a brush. Not even the 2-band 3XL's

You're lucky Claus. The guy never responded to me, I guess I'm such a small fish.


Don't be.
You're not missing out - especially the new batches from Lee. He's no longer what I consider a Gentleman.

The best M&F brushed I have ever owned, I bought from Classic Shaving, they were old stock Finest 2-band and they cost me $450 and $500 including tax/customs. But they were worth it.

So densely packed all my Chubby 3 feel thinly packed in comparison.
Merkur Man now owns one of them.
These M&F's were truly unique.
Not the ones Lee Sabini is selling now IMHO. My Shavemac's easily outperform them.

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#20
(05-18-2016, 01:27 AM)BadDad Wrote: Have I missed something here? I thought the op was about putting a cap on the price of goods sold in the bst on a different forum. Am I wrong?

To that end, it is common practice on all the forums that are owned and/or paid for by vendors. It rides right up there with not allowing honest discussions and reviews. Its just the way it works when a forum is more focused on making money and selling prosucts than it is on forming a community and helping people.

There is an easy way to avoid the bad taste those questionable ethics leave in your mouth...


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This is a tough issue to tackle in a forum, no matter who is running it.  I have a lot of disagreement with various mods and forums, as well as how they set guidelines/rules that seem to apply unevenly, but this is a case where the rationale makes a lot of sense to me.

Just consider:
  • If a forum truly is dedicated to helping out a community and fostering a better hobby and
  • If you have a problem with the focus in forums being on making money and selling products...

... Then you need to really consider that there is a very serious issue with M&F markups.  Lee is nigh impossible to contact, unless you are one of the "chosen people" who constantly claim they have no issue in that area.  To give you an idea on this point, I have had one successful contact, out of perhaps 30+ attempts.  My story doesn't seem to be terribly unusual, but then you have folks who seem to buy new M&F brushes regularly and have 20+ brushes.

Whatever the reason, a select few have a seemingly direct line to Lee, which gives them a massive opportunity in an unregulated market.  They have the ability to basically flip brushes as a pseudo-vendor if they want (and some have in the past), adding a 20% markup of their own.  Ignoring for a moment the grey area created between a vendor and a hobbyist, think about this situation!

By exploiting the unavailability of Lee and by monetizing their own connections to the man, these folks are pricing lots of us out of M&F brushes by hefty margins.  How does this foster a better hobby and community?  It doesn't, it does the opposite by artificially creating an "elite" product that is only accessible by high prices.

Additionally, you can't criticize a forum for being obsessed with selling products and making money when they are making efforts to lower prices on products that no official vendor or hobbyist actually sells as a retailer.  That just doesn't make sense.

Now, on the other hand, if you want to talk about TSN and how threads critical of M&F or Lee seem to magically get locked and disappear instantly, while threads on others like Tiki or MW or others are gleefully piled on...

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