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(03-23-2016, 01:08 AM)hrfdez Wrote:
(03-23-2016, 01:05 AM)andrewjs18 Wrote:
(03-22-2016, 09:52 PM)hrfdez Wrote: Constructive criticism is always healthy, complaining about a product just because you don't like the owner of the product or have a back door agenda, that's a different story.

of course, and I don't think anyone is saying it's not.  

(03-22-2016, 09:53 PM)steeleshaves Wrote: Yet people do it to teachers and coaches all the time and that's ok>> Smile  Why should business owners miss out on that fun....??

I believe there's a difference between speaking to someone who teaches your child (most often without any other options available to most families) versus someone that sells safety razors, where there's hundreds of options out there.

Mine was more a general statement.

fair enough. Cool
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#82
(This post was last modified: 03-25-2016, 01:06 AM by Andyshaves.)
Full Disclaimer: I'm a big supporter of Rockwell Razors, as evidence in the show we recently did about them. However, this thread has a lot of spanish moss in it, and so to avoid that I'll speak directly to OP's question:

It's not uncommon to prepay for a product before production. It's relatively common with high-end razors that are produced individually, as well as for custom work such as restorations and services to that nature.
It's important to remember we're not talking about Merkur, Proctor & Gamble, Schick, Edwin Jagger, Muhle, or any other sizable business that has ample creditors and large amounts of liquidity. We're speaking about a young company that is building such business relationships as we speak.
It's also important as a consumer to remember the track-record of companies that we do business with. I think it's more than fair to say that the owners of the business have proved, without a doubt, that they are more than willing to go far above and beyond any necessary limit to make it right with their consumers. These are two college kids who put themselves, literally, in debt to fix manufacturing flaws with the original design. I think you'll be in more than safe hands with these two individuals.
Also, their website alludes to a new product coming, which means that they've secured the necessary resources to maintain a healthy business, which means investing $99 with them for a spot on a waiting list isn't a non-garunteed proposition. If they're intending to launch a new product as referenced by the kickstarter pop-up on their site, they're intending to stay in business, and your money can always be refunded if you decide on another product prior to your product shipping.

If we're talking about a large company, with tons of liquidity, then its questionable at best. But for what it's worth, I preordered an iPhone from Apple. When I preordered, I had a full-cost hold placed on my account. The money was basically in their hands, sitting in limbo, before the phones were officially released for shipment. In essence, I paid a multi-billion dollar company, with ample liquidity and creditability, for a product I wasn't 100% sure was even manufactured yet. And it turns out that I waited some time for it to arrive, which meant that my physical device wasn't produced at the time I "payed" for it. I'm counting the hold as payment because it essentially means I had less liquid assets while I waited on a product to be produced. The point is that it's common practice.

If the consumer has doubts that a product will be produced and delivered, they can always wait until the product is in circulation prior to buying one. Alternatively, you can pay to hold your spot in line. Based on the track record, and reviews of the product and customer service, I'd be more than comfortable giving them money to wait in line. But, that's personal preference. If this were an eBay or etsy seller with tons of negative reviews, I'd shop around some more.

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#83
Hello I'm new here but just wanted to say I love my 6s. It's quickly become my go to. Glad I found this forum through tapatalk.


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#84
Odd I've never prepaid for an iPhone I've always gotten mine on launch day and they had them in stock and I didn't fork over 800 to be put on a waiting list......
#85
I've ordered iphones online twice now, a few days after the preorders opened, and both times have seen a total amount hold (not a charge, but see my reasoning above) placed on the account from the time of the order until the hold became a charge on the date of shipping.
#86
when people supported Rockwell 6s on kickstarter they didn't forked out $800 to be on a waiting list for the razor.... they paid I believe $60 for the razor, the got the first version which was sort of crappy and then they got send the 2nd version for free.... So IDK what you are trying to say with the $800 pre payment....
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(This post was last modified: 03-25-2016, 02:27 AM by Andyshaves.)
My point is that it's not uncommon for us to pay large corporations, with assets so large that they don't necessitate accumulating such capital for production, in advance of the production of the good we're purchasing. It happens a lot, actually. Yet, there's concern about doing so here, with a small company, with a good track record for fixing and delivering, that doesn't have such assets to assist in production. It's kind of interesting.

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(This post was last modified: 03-25-2016, 03:41 AM by CrowneAndCrane.)
As with all free market transactions Caveat Emptor applies. Consumers have to make risk-reward and value judgements every day. Therefore, if one feels comfortable prepaying for something in order to be the first on their block to have some product, then one is free to do so. If one doesn't, then they will elect not to do so. Beyond that, exactly what is there to be discussed?

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(03-25-2016, 03:41 AM)Uzi Wrote: As with all free market transactions Caveat Emptor applies. Consumers have to make risk-reward and value judgements every day. Therefore, if one feels comfortable prepaying for something in order to be the first on their block to have some product, then one is free to do so. If one doesn't, then they will elect not to do so. Beyond that, exactly what is there to be discussed?

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I'd pay upwards of a kidney and my first born son for this Innovative razor. It truly is amazing. Can't speak highly enough of it. Best shaver out there, but there really isn't a bad shaving razor out there, they are all Amazing.. I find paring it with any of the soaps I have produces the best shaves of my life. All my soaps however, are equal and none are better than the others, excellent prices on all of them (probably too cheap) and quality and all the scents are great too (they all smell like what angels must smell like). Doesn't matter which blade I use in the Rockwell as they are all outstanding blades never having produced a bad shave. We are so lucky that there isn't a bad double edge razor blade in the world, truly blessed. I even had a change of heart and prepaid my snow removal guy yesterday in anticipation of next DEC-FEB, today I am also going to prepay my propane company for next winter as well.... What a wonderful revelation I have had over the last couple of days thanks to this thread.

Have a Great Weekend all. If you will excuse me, I need to go sing Kumbaya before heading off to work. What a glorious day!!!!

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