Different Artesian same head/handles

Actually I did blame the OP for his lack of due diligence right away. He screwed up for sure.

On the other hand he wouldn't have screwed up if vendors were as descriptive of the clones as they are of the originals they also sell. But they're short on info of the clones for an obviously deceptive reason.

If vendors were up front about it, we wouldn't be having this debate, and I wouldn't have so much of a problem with it.

Just trying to keep them honest is all, and you should want that too.

Support transparent vendors!

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That's right BadDad, hide my words as much as vendors hide their own concerning the clones. Less disclosure is better!

No, I just dislike circular logic based on fallacies and willfull ignorance...

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Do you agree, or don't you, that a seller of a product should disclose its full provenance, when such provenance may not be immediately recognized by potential customers?

Do you agree, or don't you, that a seller of a product should disclose its full provenance, when such provenance may not be immediately recognized by potential customers?

I agree that many vendors use different sourcing options to provide entry levels razors at inexpensive prices, and that a very good portion of these razors are all very similar to each other. Some may even be made in the same plants!

PAA clearly states that their DOC razor is based on a vintage razor.

Maggard's has a very nice, and quite detailed, description of the process they went through with their manufacturers during the 3 different iterations of their safety bar offering, in an effort to bring a product to their customers based on customer input.

Muhle, EJ, Merkur, Parker, Wieishi, Wilkinson Sword, Maggard's, PAA, West Coast Shaving, Italian Barber, WSP, VDH, and on and on and on...they ALL use chrome plated zermak heads and caps, they all have low cost introductory options, and they all offer beginner razors that have very, very, VERY similar shave experiences due to similar gap and exposure specifications. Whether you choose safety bar or butterfly door, you can find offerings of nearly identical dimensions and shave experiences from each of the above companies.

Some of them make their own hardware. Most of them do not. But if you don't know that a Muhle R89 is basically the same razor as an Edwin Jagger de89, that is YOUR fault, not the manufacturers. If you don;t know that a Wieishi, a Van der Hagen, and a Micro Touch One are all virtually identical, that's on YOU, not the manufacturer.

And it is NOT deceitful of the manufacture to fail to disclose the fact that you can buy an incredibly similar razor elsewhere. That's just silly

Now...that razor blade manufacturer that makes blank blades and will print whatever you want on them, even if it is a registered trademark? THAT is something to get upset about.

If a vendor was selling generic products under brand names? THAT would be something to be upset about.

But accusing vendors of being intentionally misleading and dishonest because they don't outline the design process of their razor manufacturing plant is ludicrous...at best. Accusing them of being "ghetto hustlers" because they don't tell you where you can find a razor that is very similar to the one they are selling is just silly. Really silly.

Relax gents...people are getting worked up over razors...?!?!

Gentlemen, I am very close to closing this thread.  The original poster had a thought and posted it.  Instead of many different ideas on the subject, we seem to be going around in circles which all but makes the thread useless.  Please consider this when posting.  Thank you.

You refused to answer my simple yes or no question. Agree to disagree then BadDad. You believe in less product disclosure, I believe in more. I'll support vendors that tell me up front about what they're selling, you'll support those that keep this information from us.

Any excuses don't hide those two choices above. And I'd urge buyers reading this thread, to vote with their dollars and buy from vendors that are as transparent about their knockoffs, as they are about originals like ATT or Mongoose they have to sell.

And yes, andrewjs18, there is no reason to get so emotional and upset over a discussion of razors...

Agree with the comments from Freddy and andrewjs18 in that we are just running in circles at this stage. Ideas and POV expressed, noted and we don't seem to be furthering the dialogue productively in any way at this point.

Let's agree to disagree and not use a thread to support back and forth dialogue.

Thanks much.