#1,451

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I’ve been in 90 degree weather all week. When I get too hot, I just spray a couple of shots of Fourth and Pine EDC on my neck. Works every time.

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#1,452

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To finish off my shave this morning I sprayed on Chatillon Lux Lamplight Penance Parfum (beta) and cannot wait for this to make its official debut in October.  As I stated in my SOTD today, it complements Stirling's Peach Shave Soap by continuing a somewhat peach theme but that touch of smoke in Lamplight Penance adds a bit of maturity, for lack of a better term.  The two work beautifully together.

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This is going to be another fantastic offering from hawns and Chatillon Lux, in my opinion.

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#1,453

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(06-22-2018, 01:58 AM)CCity Wrote: I’ve been in 90 degree weather all week. When I get too hot, I just spray a couple of shots of Fourth and Pine EDC on my neck. Works every time.

Up until a couple days ago, it had been a week straight of heat indexes over 100 degrees (that swampy river humidity is great!) and Fourth and Pine was definitely designed for that kind of weather. EdCs are my jam in oppressive heat and humidity.

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#1,454

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(06-22-2018, 09:11 PM)Freddy Wrote: To finish off my shave this morning I sprayed on Chatillon Lux Lamplight Penance Parfum (beta) and cannot wait for this to make its official debut in October.  As I stated in my SOTD today, it complements Stirling's Peach Shave Soap by continuing a somewhat peach theme but that touch of smoke in Lamplight Penance adds a bit of maturity, for lack of a better term.  The two work beautifully together.

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This is going to be another fantastic offering from hawns and Chatillon Lux, in my opinion.

Thanks, Freddy! It is my personal favorite (although my ladyfriend insists the fragrance I designed for her for her birthday yesterday is the best). But how in the world did you get your hands on that new fragrance? Wink

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(06-22-2018, 09:15 PM)hawns Wrote:
(06-22-2018, 01:58 AM)CCity Wrote: I’ve been in 90 degree weather all week. When I get too hot, I just spray a couple of shots of Fourth and Pine EDC on my neck. Works every time.

Up until a couple days ago, it had been a week straight of heat indexes over 100 degrees (that swampy river humidity is great!) and Fourth and Pine was definitely designed for that kind of weather. EdCs are my jam in oppressive heat and humidity.

As far as I'm concerned, Shawn, you nailed a citrus scent with your Fourth and Pine and, yes, it's the perfect light scent for a hot humid day. Happy2

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#1,456

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(06-22-2018, 09:17 PM)hawns Wrote:
(06-22-2018, 09:11 PM)Freddy Wrote: To finish off my shave this morning I sprayed on Chatillon Lux Lamplight Penance Parfum (beta) and cannot wait for this to make its official debut in October.  As I stated in my SOTD today, it complements Stirling's Peach Shave Soap by continuing a somewhat peach theme but that touch of smoke in Lamplight Penance adds a bit of maturity, for lack of a better term.  The two work beautifully together.

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This is going to be another fantastic offering from hawns and Chatillon Lux, in my opinion.

Thanks, Freddy! It is my personal favorite (although my ladyfriend insists the fragrance I designed for her for her birthday yesterday is the best). But how in the world did you get your hands on that new fragrance?  Wink

Um, er, ah, a little St. Louis birdie, perhaps a cardinal? Tongue

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Hi hawns.  Today, I’m wearing Fourth and Pine EdC again and I have already stated how much I like it.  You have mentioned that this EdC was made with warm humid weather in mind.  However, do you ever create a scent thinking ‘this is going to be a masculine scent’ or ‘this is going to be a feminine scent’ or ‘this is going to be a unisex scent’?  I know you have told me that many, if not most, scents can be unisex and I can definitely see Fourth and Pine and Yuzu/Rose/Patchouli as being worn by both men and women.  However, what about something like your upcoming Lamplight Penance?  Does that touch of smoke push it more towards a man’s scent?  Also, your Omnostre EdT, to me, is definitely masculine.

I find it interesting that Rod and Mandy at Stirling Soap Co. (ezlovan) have quite a few scents in their various shave and bath soaps and aftershaves that are suggested for either men or women with names like Witchy Woman or Sharp Dressed Man, as well as neutral scents like peach or grapefruit.  Their peach shave soap and your Lamplight Penance Parfum are an excellent matchup for me but, again, does that smoke in Lamplight Penance push the whole shave towards a masculine outlook or would it be unisex.  The Stirling Peach Shave Soap is a pure peach while, obviously, your Lamplight Penance is way more complex, though I do get the peach accord in it.

I guess I’m wondering how you approach a particular scent once you get the idea for it?

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That is a great question, Freddy. As far as gender goes, I rarely, if ever, think about it. I've found that certain fragrances I've worn were marketed towards women, but it never occurred to me. Also, the trend in the fragrance world is moving away from gendered marketing, anyway, especially in the niche world. And I think that is pretty liberating. Of course, something like Gratiot League Square with its leather and spices or Omnostre with its musks might be considered more masculine, but even my smokey scents like Bon Vivant and Lamplight Penance are worn by women who I know. And when I smelled it on them, it made total sense.

Really, it all starts with what story I want to tell with the fragrance. Maybe it's simple: Yuzu/Rose/Patchouli was inspired by walking through the Missouri Botanical Gardens, where you can move from the Japanese garden to the rose garden in just a few strides. And sometimes it's complex: Lamplight Penance was this story and was meant to juxtapose the smokey, woody and dark scents of Chatillon mourning his original, true and dearly departed love while the sweet fruit and floral scents from his current marriage of convenience, not to mention moving from living with the Oglala tribe to the city and juxtaposing those scents.

So basically I find the story I want to tell and the mood I want to convey and then think about what types of accords would achieve that. Then usually I spend at least a month, maybe a few, making sketches of possible accords and researching materials before I even begin experimenting. I used to work at a pizza place, and the owner was a Buddhist. He would give such zen-like instructions. To the kitchen workers: Let the toppings find the open space; do not push the sauce, but rather allow gravity to help you take it where you would like it to go. His advice to delivery drivers before the advent of smartphone GPS was that knowing your destination was less important than the route to get there. Obviously, it's a little hippy-dippy, but it also happens to be pretty spot on.

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(06-27-2018, 03:46 PM)hawns Wrote: That is a great question, Freddy. As far as gender goes, I rarely, if ever, think about it. I've found that certain fragrances I've worn were marketed towards women, but it never occurred to me. Also, the trend in the fragrance world is moving away from gendered marketing, anyway, especially in the niche world. And I think that is pretty liberating. Of course, something like Gratiot League Square with its leather and spices or Omnostre with its musks might be considered more masculine, but even my smokey scents like Bon Vivant and Lamplight Penance are worn by women who I know. And when I smelled it on them, it made total sense.

Really, it all starts with what story I want to tell with the fragrance. Maybe it's simple: Yuzu/Rose/Patchouli was inspired by walking through the Missouri Botanical Gardens, where you can move from the Japanese garden to the rose garden in just a few strides. And sometimes it's complex: Lamplight Penance was this story and was meant to juxtapose the smokey, woody and dark scents of Chatillon mourning his original, true and dearly departed love while the sweet fruit and floral scents from his current marriage of convenience, not to mention moving from living with the Oglala tribe to the city and juxtaposing those scents.

So basically I find the story I want to tell and the mood I want to convey and then think about what types of accords would achieve that. Then usually I spend at least a month, maybe a few, making sketches of possible accords and researching materials before I even begin experimenting. I used to work at a pizza place, and the owner was a Buddhist. He would give such zen-like instructions. To the kitchen workers: Let the toppings find the open space; do not push the sauce, but rather allow gravity to help you take it where you would like it to go. His advice to delivery drivers before the advent of smartphone GPS was that knowing your destination was less important than the route to get there. Obviously, it's a little hippy-dippy, but it also happens to be pretty spot on.

What a great answer, Shawn. I, too, wear one EdT that is definitely marketed to women. However, I just like the way it complements some of my shaves. I also wear a few that I think are more masculine in nature. Having said that, I believe most of my EdTs and EdCs could be worn by either sex. Indeed, I have seen my Annick Goutal Eau du Sud EdT and my Hermès Concentré d’Orange Verte EdT marketed as unisex.

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I also pay little attention to gender marketing. Two of my favorite scents are Piguet's Bandit and Juliette Has a Gun's Midnight Oud, both "women's" perfumes. The Midnight Oud has a feminine feel to it, but the Bandit does not (to my nose).

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