Charcoal Goods Gen-1 Lvl-1 with Maze Handle

Alan AlanH81...are you going to respond to this? Is the razor in question the one you had a WTB ad up for quite a while? Did you intentionally misrepresent the origins of the razor you sold John? What can you do to make John whole...and will you do it?

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The lack of a response amid the allegations speaks volumes, doesn’t it? Makes my blood boil.

Gents…. I threw this guy a life preserver, scroll up… “I said, I’m wrong 10x a day (and I really am too), I laugh it off, apologise and move forward, no harm done.  All he had to do was grab on, put the ring around himself under his arms, sort out the finances with churchilllafemme and move forward. Nope, his narcissism won’t allow for that, he would rather put a rope around his neck. 

I’m a decent person, I’m going to throw one more life preserver out there for him…….. here you go….

Great book. Highly recommend it. My wife and I went to hear Jordan Peterson speak a couple of years ago and our daughter and her boyfriend heard him speak a few weeks ago. Well worth the price of a ticket.

churchilllafemme Hi John…. where are you at with this Sir? Have you been made good on your purchase?

No, I have received no refund. And I put a block in place so that I would get no more abusive PMs.

It’s always sad when a Merchant of Chaos strikes, it cheapens the community and alert bulletins have to be put in place. 

Personally, I send my sale-able items to members before payment ever takes place.  I don’t condone this practice however I only do business with WELL RESPECTED SENIOR MEMEBERS like yourself and have a global circle. 

Karma is going to take care of this situation, I’m sorry it happened. At first I thought it could simply be a matter of English as a second language however English isn’t my first language and I recognise when someone is trying to throw me a life preserver.  I did that 3x in this thread, he did NOT choose wisely and traveled the low road with his slander.

He won’t be doing business here or anywhere my Troll Patrol has its reach, I can promise you that.  I’m not a nice guy, they finish last… however I am a good person and good people have merit

Cheers John

Wow…have you graduated yet to be a DFS moderator yet?? 

Who are you to judge or stop someone doing business here or anywhere?? “With your “Troll Patrol” what is this high school??

I would advice you and warn you to be careful choosing your words carefully, yet mentioning my name with your buddies here trying to make a point!!

Lastly this Harasment Needs to Stop.

Alan AlanH81...are you going to respond to this? Is the razor in question the one you had a WTB ad up for quite a while? Did you intentionally misrepresent the origins of the razor you sold John? What can you do to make John whole...and will you do it?

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I would advice you to Stop using my name here Sir you been Warned!!

Take it with your buddy “Extraprotein” elsewhere else but not here on DFS!!

I’m opening a Razor Brush and Shave Item Authentication thread here in general shaving.  

I personally like this idea and would take it a step further and say we could use something like an item identification section on the forum with individual threads for different razor/brush makers.

churchilllafemme Hi John…. where are you at with this Sir? Have you been made good on your purchase?

No, I have received no refund. And I put a block in place so that I would get no more abusive PMs.

Im sorry for your troubles, this is a sad situation.

Sad situation indeed do you know other side of the story?? 

Indeed

How much did you spend on this razor? The problem could be easily ended with an instant refund process.
However, it appears that the seller preferred an aggressive conversation to a refund.

John is one of the most Senior of Members on ANY forum, well respected and ALWAYS pays his way….. to be treated like this? It’s an outrage

This is no longer about razors and currency, this is about integrity.  If I sent you a razor and you weren’t satisfied in ANY way, even buyers remorse, send it back, you’re my DFS Brother, we’re here to have fun and talk SHAVE

Let’s pretend I was wrong about helping authenticate this Charcoal Goods Razor…. You bet your arse I would be issuing a PUBLIC apology on every shave platform and social media site. My good name as a Gentleman comes before tangible goods…..

Sounds very hypocritical here nicely done   keep up good work!!

The lack of a response amid the allegations speaks volumes, doesn’t it? Makes my blood boil.

Gents…. I threw this guy a life preserver, scroll up… “I said, I’m wrong 10x a day (and I really am too), I laugh it off, apologise and move forward, no harm done.  All he had to do was grab on, put the ring around himself under his arms, sort out the finances with churchilllafemme and move forward. Nope, his narcissism won’t allow for that, he would rather put a rope around his neck. 

I’m a decent person, I’m going to throw one more life preserver out there for him…….. here you go….

Great book. Highly recommend it. My wife and I went to hear Jordan Peterson speak a couple of years ago and our daughter and her boyfriend heard him speak a few weeks ago. Well worth the price of a ticket.

I will certainly check it out Marko   Thank You

John…

The above images taken within the last 15 minutes is the complete “Original” kit Brian Twilley made waaaaay back when.  When I say Original, I truly mean original in its true sense.  Polished by hand, by Brian, the Artisan who made it and not some hack in Switzerland or an Instagram Razor Polishing Influencer.  

The drop for the 10 was not announced, they dropped silently and if you got one, you got one.  What you see here is what each and every single one of them looks like without exception.  The top cap is polished to a gorgeous shine as best as Brian could manage, the backside is matte.  Important for the blade based upon MY personal conversation with Brian.  The handles are original Bishop and again polished as best as Brian could manage.  The base plate only has a tattoo, there’s no engraving and only lightly polished. You can see the tooling marks on all the surfaces if you look closely. Brian did in fact do a favour for a customer and there is a handle out there that is 316L and is NOT a Bishop handle.  That entire kit with the EXTRA special handle is very safe in the hands of a well respected Member of this forum.  

John, with all due respect, let’s “pretend” for the sake of authentication the top cap and base plate was in fact the real deal.  Why is is matte? Where is the Bishop handle? Why are all the surfaces polished to such a high mirror polish and rounded the edges? There is NOT a crisp edge on that entire kit. Why is it engraved? If it were one of the original 10, and it clearly is NOT, the razor was destroyed the moment it was polished and engraved.  Would you purchase an Original Picasso oil on canvas bring it home and paint over it? No, of course not

Where is the paperwork for the misrepresented razor? I’m the second owner of mine.  My razor was purchased from the original owner who is a prominent and respected Washington DC Attorney.  He doesn’t participate much in this forum but is a respected member currently at Badger & Blade.  He was a regular participant at ShaveNook where much information can be found about these razors.  At the time of my purchase I also purchased a Brass G1 kit bearing base plate #200. I have receipts and a paper trail for every single item I purchase or sell be it a razor, brush, blade, watch, knife, handgun, rifle, etc

My Charcoal Goods brothers can and will chime in here to correct me if I’m wrong about any detail regarding the original ten 316L hand polished CG razors.  Like I said when this thread began, I’m wrong 10x a day and I laugh at myself when I’m wrong, but make no mistake, I’m crystal clear when it comes to this razor. The seller in your transaction did not sell you a original razor, for a couple reasons: the first reason is because he never had one to begin with and the second reason is because of its bragging value.  You know the type, we’ve seen them come and go here these past few years. People with money don’t talk about money, it’s impolite. Luxury items don’t impress me, I’m only impressed by integrity

John, I’ve been following you on multiple forums since the early 2000 teens, my first transaction on any forum was with you.  Everything I’ve said above has been said in a respectful manner and not malicious in any way.  I’m firm on authenticating this razor.  Brian himself would chime in and say, that’s an aftermarket polish, the original razors were not matte nor engraved and where is the handle?

Any razor that is NOT in its original state simply has no value….period.  Who would take a BBS1 or an RS10 and aftermarket polish?  If you ding or dent your discontinued razor, leave it alone.  I learned this the hard way. 

What does a second run Charcoal Goods 304L matte kit look like? Glad you asked, it’s equally gorgeous.  Make no mistake, it’s a different look AND a different shave, it’s also engraved as well as a tattoo.  The original 316L doesn’t shave like any razor on the market, it’s really special, ask the other 9 owners, some of them can be found here on this forum and I’m sure will be chiming in here to help you with peace of mind.

I’m opening a Razor Brush and Shave Item Authentication thread here in general shaving.  The heading of the thread will be “Flipper & Troll.” This will be a place where members can authenticate a shaving item from any BST and all members will be welcome to chime in to help. Everyone making ANY purchase should always be aware there’s a “Merchant of Chaos” lurking about…..

“Flipper and Troll”- Best Shave related name EVER!!

Great Idea let’s do it 

I’d like to remind everyone of the rules of DFS. There’s the BST rules which are clear that transactions are between buyer and seller ONLY and there’s the requirement to maintain a civil discourse. I ask that the buyer and seller in this case kindly take the matter to PM or other private communication as this is starting to take on the appearance of a schoolyard fight. If that doesn’t happen then the Moderators will close this thread or delete it as we consider appropriate.

Seems to be some folks are not following rules but trying to bash other people down, name calling and yet deciding to stop them/prevent to buy or do business here on DFS…is that a threat? Are they moderators here on DFS want to be?? LoL

This Harasment Needs to Stop!

Gentlemen, I have closed this thread (and this is the second time it has been closed).  We moderators are, quite frankly, exhausted trying to deal with this and, in at least one case, being vilified through PMs to us.  We have spent several hours over numerous days trying to straighten out something that should be done by the parties who are directly involved.  Unless the two parties involved (and, ultimately, there are only two) can come to some sort of mutual agreement this will become a never ending loop.  I, as just one moderator, have had enough and so, the closing of the thread.  It may be reopened at a later date but, for now, it remains shut.

Freddy
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