#21

Vintage Shaver
Seattle, WA
(05-19-2023, 06:42 PM)AlanH81 Wrote:
(05-19-2023, 06:37 PM)churchilllafemme Wrote: Just for everyone's interest, here is a post by Alan from 12/2021 in which he appears to be showing the results of his polishing of the MATTE original Gen-1 Lvl-1 head - in other words the 304 steel, NOT the rare 306 one.

https://damnfineshave.com/thread-charcoa...al%2Bgoods

It’s 316 not 306 not 304 that head was sold and changed for different!!

So continue to accuse and make things up John  Happy2

Seems to be your good at it..

I just want a refund. Why not do that and let's end all of this back to where we started.

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John
#22

Member
Gatineau, QC, Canada
(05-19-2023, 06:47 PM)churchilllafemme Wrote:
(05-19-2023, 06:42 PM)AlanH81 Wrote:
(05-19-2023, 06:37 PM)churchilllafemme Wrote: Just for everyone's interest, here is a post by Alan from 12/2021 in which he appears to be showing the results of his polishing of the MATTE original Gen-1 Lvl-1 head - in other words the 304 steel, NOT the rare 306 one.

https://damnfineshave.com/thread-charcoa...al%2Bgoods

It’s 316 not 306 not 304 that head was sold and changed for different!!

So continue to accuse and make things up John  Happy2

Seems to be your good at it..

I just want a refund. Why not do that and let's end all of this back to where we started.

Why accusing someone as fraud on DFS and said all things about me I don’t appreciate it ok and certainly won’t accept it!!

Threatening me on social media to have your way cause of someone else who send you email to demonize me and BS certainly won’t work so I have gave you proposal take it or leave it!! 

Never I had issue with anyone on DFS but you John and other person who email you….why and what is the agenda behid it you know why!! 

But offering money to folks to have rare good and after manipulate to have more for your self certainly won’t work with me!!

For that reason you wont have your “refund”!!

If you been gentelmen without threats and accuse me and said all kinds of names on me and words I would of refund you’!! But you haven’t you choose different way to acuse me and toss all kinds off nonsese on me!!

Sale is final you can sell your razor as I would of have done and not to make drama here on DFS!!
"Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value."

  - Albert Einstein
#23

Just Here for the Shaves
Williamsburg, KY
Thread getting closed for now to cool things down.

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This post by Dave in KY mentions views and opinions expressed and makes it known that they are "those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of DFS or any other member, agency, organization, employer or company."  Big Grin
#24

Posting Freak
We are restoring this thread as a service to members, particularly those active in the BST. We will consider reopening the thread at a future date.

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#25

Posting Freak
We are reopening this thread so that its cautionary message doesn’t get lost in the sands of time. And buried by subsequent posts. Keep the discussion civil. Thanks

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#26

Member
I like Pizza
churchilllafemme Hi John…. where are you at with this Sir? Have you been made good on your purchase?

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#27

Member
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John…

The above images taken within the last 15 minutes is the complete “Original” kit Brian Twilley made waaaaay back when.  When I say Original, I truly mean original in its true sense.  Polished by hand, by Brian, the Artisan who made it and not some hack in Switzerland or an Instagram Razor Polishing Influencer.  

The drop for the 10 was not announced, they dropped silently and if you got one, you got one.  What you see here is what each and every single one of them looks like without exception.  The top cap is polished to a gorgeous shine as best as Brian could manage, the backside is matte.  Important for the blade based upon MY personal conversation with Brian.  The handles are original Bishop and again polished as best as Brian could manage.  The base plate only has a tattoo, there’s no engraving and only lightly polished. You can see the tooling marks on all the surfaces if you look closely. Brian did in fact do a favour for a customer and there is a handle out there that is 316L and is NOT a Bishop handle.  That entire kit with the EXTRA special handle is very safe in the hands of a well respected Member of this forum.  

John, with all due respect, let’s “pretend” for the sake of authentication the top cap and base plate was in fact the real deal.  Why is is matte? Where is the Bishop handle? Why are all the surfaces polished to such a high mirror polish and rounded the edges? There is NOT a crisp edge on that entire kit. Why is it engraved? If it were one of the original 10, and it clearly is NOT, the razor was destroyed the moment it was polished and engraved.  Would you purchase an Original Picasso oil on canvas bring it home and paint over it? No, of course not

Where is the paperwork for the misrepresented razor? I’m the second owner of mine.  My razor was purchased from the original owner who is a prominent and respected Washington DC Attorney.  He doesn’t participate much in this forum but is a respected member currently at Badger & Blade.  He was a regular participant at ShaveNook where much information can be found about these razors.  At the time of my purchase I also purchased a Brass G1 kit bearing base plate #200. I have receipts and a paper trail for every single item I purchase or sell be it a razor, brush, blade, watch, knife, handgun, rifle, etc

My Charcoal Goods brothers can and will chime in here to correct me if I’m wrong about any detail regarding the original ten 316L hand polished CG razors.  Like I said when this thread began, I’m wrong 10x a day and I laugh at myself when I’m wrong, but make no mistake, I’m crystal clear when it comes to this razor. The seller in your transaction did not sell you a original razor, for a couple reasons: the first reason is because he never had one to begin with and the second reason is because of its bragging value.  You know the type, we’ve seen them come and go here these past few years. People with money don’t talk about money, it’s impolite. Luxury items don’t impress me, I’m only impressed by integrity

John, I’ve been following you on multiple forums since the early 2000 teens, my first transaction on any forum was with you.  Everything I’ve said above has been said in a respectful manner and not malicious in any way.  I’m firm on authenticating this razor.  Brian himself would chime in and say, that’s an aftermarket polish, the original razors were not matte nor engraved and where is the handle?

Any razor that is NOT in its original state simply has no value….period.  Who would take a BBS1 or an RS10 and aftermarket polish?  If you ding or dent your discontinued razor, leave it alone.  I learned this the hard way. 

What does a second run Charcoal Goods 304L matte kit look like? Glad you asked, it’s equally gorgeous.  Make no mistake, it’s a different look AND a different shave, it’s also engraved as well as a tattoo.  The original 316L doesn’t shave like any razor on the market, it’s really special, ask the other 9 owners, some of them can be found here on this forum and I’m sure will be chiming in here to help you with peace of mind.

I’m opening a Razor Brush and Shave Item Authentication thread here in general shaving.  The heading of the thread will be “Flipper & Troll.” This will be a place where members can authenticate a shaving item from any BST and all members will be welcome to chime in to help. Everyone making ANY purchase should always be aware there’s a “Merchant of Chaos” lurking about…..

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#28
ExtraProtein we have several of these razors in the family which is exactly where they need to stay.

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Justin
#29

Vintage Shaver
Seattle, WA
(06-08-2023, 11:31 PM)ExtraProtein Wrote: churchilllafemme Hi John…. where are you at with this Sir? Have you been made good on your purchase?

No, I have received no refund. And I put a block in place so that I would get no more abusive PMs.

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John
#30

Member
I like Pizza
(06-09-2023, 01:50 AM)churchilllafemme Wrote:
(06-08-2023, 11:31 PM)ExtraProtein Wrote: churchilllafemme Hi John…. where are you at with this Sir? Have you been made good on your purchase?

No, I have received no refund. And I put a block in place so that I would get no more abusive PMs.

It’s always sad when a Merchant of Chaos strikes, it cheapens the community and alert bulletins have to be put in place. 

Personally, I send my sale-able items to members before payment ever takes place.  I don’t condone this practice however I only do business with WELL RESPECTED SENIOR MEMEBERS like yourself and have a global circle. 

Karma is going to take care of this situation, I’m sorry it happened. At first I thought it could simply be a matter of English as a second language however English isn’t my first language and I recognise when someone is trying to throw me a life preserver.  I did that 3x in this thread, he did NOT choose wisely and traveled the low road with his slander.

He won’t be doing business here or anywhere my Troll Patrol has its reach, I can promise you that.  I’m not a nice guy, they finish last… however I am a good person and good people have merit

Cheers John

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