Author of $10,000 eBay auction for Wolfman Razor admits his motive

Half the forum members here know me from other forums. I've been around for 9 years. This forum has rules. Other forums have rules. When a member knowingly violates one forum's rules he is in effect castrating any pretense of rules on the rest. Scalping hurts the community. Some people may not care. I do.

Whoa, hold on...Couple of things to point out...

First--Nobody cares what other forums you participate on, nor for how long. That is not meant as a dig, it is meant to say, we don't care if you were the most beloved or the most despised. We ONLY care about how you conduct yourself HERE, on THIS forum. All other forums are their own entities, and your participation there, or lack thereof, is inconsequential. Everyone gets the same opportunity to present themselves here. You either rock it or blow it. It's entirely up to you, and has nothing to do with your participation elsewhere.

Second--A person violating the rules of B&B has no effect on this forum, despite your assertion. In order to "castrate" any rules on this forum, you would have to violate the rules of this forum. Just as your participation at B&B does not matter here, neither does your violation of rules at B&B...or lack thereof...

Lastly--"Scalping" only hurts the community if you are someone that doesn't want to see the cost/value of goods and services rise. If a product can be purchased, at retail, and turned around and sold after-market for twice the original cost, good job to the entrepreneur that bought it and flipped it. If that activity subsequently causes the original producer to increase their prices, so be it. It is a reaction to real market values. That's called good business...from both the original producer and the after-market reseller.

Now...if a forum has a rule against said tactics, so be it. Such is the right of said forum. But that rule protects no one outside of the owners of that forum. That rule does nothing for this forum, and nothing for the community. In fact, that rule is ONLY in place to protect the PROFITS of that forum.

Make no mistake...any rule on any forum that explicitly limits the asking price of resold products is done PURELY out of self-preservation of that specific forum. It does NOTHING to preserve any sense of community or righteousness OUTSIDE of that forum.

To presume that it effects any larger community is a fallacy at best.

Well the moderators on this forum have made their call this topic, so it is what it is.

Having said that, I agree with KAV. I find the behavior of people scalping over the line.

KAV, while I agree, you have to let this go on this forum. I'm glad you are here and hope you will stay.

Half the forum members here know me from other forums. I've been around for 9 years. This forum has rules. Other forums have rules. When a member knowingly violates one forum's rules he is in effect castrating any pretense of rules on the rest. Scalping hurts the community. Some people may not care. I do.

Whoa, hold on...Couple of things to point out...

First--Nobody cares what other forums you participate on, nor for how long. That is not meant as a dig, it is meant to say, we don't care if you were the most beloved or the most despised. We ONLY care about how you conduct yourself HERE, on THIS forum. All other forums are their own entities, and your participation there, or lack thereof, is inconsequential. Everyone gets the same opportunity to present themselves here. You either rock it or blow it. It's entirely up to you, and has nothing to do with your participation elsewhere.

Second--A person violating the rules of B&B has no effect on this forum, despite your assertion. In order to "castrate" any rules on this forum, you would have to violate the rules of this forum. Just as your participation at B&B does not matter here, neither does your violation of rules at B&B...or lack thereof...

Lastly--"Scalping" only hurts the community if you are someone that doesn't want to see the cost/value of goods and services rise. If a product can be purchased, at retail, and turned around and sold after-market for twice the original cost, good job to the entrepreneur that bought it and flipped it. If that activity subsequently causes the original producer to increase their prices, so be it. It is a reaction to real market values. That's called good business...from both the original producer and the after-market reseller.

Now...if a forum has a rule against said tactics, so be it. Such is the right of said forum. But that rule protects no one outside of the owners of that forum. That rule does nothing for this forum, and nothing for the community. In fact, that rule is ONLY in place to protect the PROFITS of that forum.

Make no mistake...any rule on any forum that explicitly limits the asking price of resold products is done PURELY out of self-preservation of that specific forum. It does NOTHING to preserve any sense of community or righteousness OUTSIDE of that forum.

To presume that it effects any larger community is a fallacy at best.

Word up! What makes the wetshaving community so special that it is immune to such things? People buy and flip stuff all the time whether it be cars, houses, vintage razors or whatever. If anyone is inclined to pay exorbitant prices for things, so be it.

Well the moderators on this forum have made their call this topic, so it is what it is.

Having said that, I agree with KAV.  I find the behavior of people scalping over the line.

KAV, while I agree, you have to let this go on this forum.  I'm glad you are here and hope you will stay.

the problem is, KAV's first or second post on here was to stir up a thread that hasn't had anything posted to it in almost 2 months. not like a "Hi, I'm Kav, thanks for having me" or anything like that. no, it was a post about something that's already been discussed (mostly on another forum) about some 'rule' that the user didn't even break on this forum. B&B has their own rules, TSD has their own rules, TSN has their own rules and finally DFS has their own rules, which, by the way, are by far the least restrictive of any shaving forum in the world, that I'm aware of.

had someone done what he did on an aforementioned forum, they'd be banned quickly or at least warned..guaranteed!

Well the moderators on this forum have made their call this topic, so it is what it is.

Having said that, I agree with KAV. I find the behavior of people scalping over the line.

KAV, while I agree, you have to let this go on this forum. I'm glad you are here and hope you will stay.

Same here. We're all free to have our opinions, I don't like scalping and price gauging in our hobby but that's just my opinion and I'm free to have it like we all do about different topics.

Well the moderators on this forum have made their call this topic, so it is what it is.

Having said that, I agree with KAV.  I find the behavior of people scalping over the line.

KAV, while I agree, you have to let this go on this forum.  I'm glad you are here and hope you will stay.

the problem is, KAV's first or second post on here was to stir up a thread that hasn't had anything posted to it in almost 2 months.  not like a "Hi, I'm Kav, thanks for having me" or anything like that.  no, it was a post about something that's already been discussed (mostly on another forum) about some 'rule' that the user didn't even break on this forum.  B&B has their own rules, TSD has their own rules, TSN has their own rules and finally DFS has their own rules, which, by the way, are bfar the least restrictive of any shaving forum in the world, that I'm aware of.

had someone done what he did on an aforementioned forum, they'd be banned quickly or at least warned..guaranteed!

Amen brother.  Kav blazened his credentials and "9 years" of experience in his first posting. I found it rather condescending and more over,  unimpressive. I was banned from the sight where he posts most of ramblings and haven't looked back.  DFS is not a clone forum.

Half the forum members here know me from other forums. I've been around for 9 years.

The other forums and not here?  What took you so long?  The openess of the dicussions, the fantastic members, and the unequalled vendor interaction make it the best wetshaving forum around!

This forum has rules. Other forums have rules.

A couple of the other forums have rules that are broken and need to be fixed.  They would do well to use Damn Fine Shave's rules as a role model.

When a member knowingly violates one forum's rules he is in effect castrating any pretense of rules on the rest.

That is both illogical and incorrect.  It is not one forum's duty to babysit the others.  Not to mention that there are a couple of advertising agencies masquerading as forums that seriously need to be neutered.  They seek maximize profits for their owners at the expense of the online wetshaving community as a whole.  And people from those places are complaining about scalping?

Scalping hurts the community. Some people may not care. I do.

How does it hurt the community?  Because you can't buy that $500 Gillette Toggle for $20 anymore?  Big deal.  A $35 Edwin Jagger will still give fantastic shaves.  Prices for limited edition and vintage razors have skyrockted due to collector demand and eBay-encouraged speculation, not scalping.  If you don't like scalping, then don't buy from scalpers.

Laissez faire capitalism is why certain shaving products have become very expensive.  It is also why we now have a huge variety of very affordable wetshaving products.  Some people may not care about that.  I do.  Great, affordable shaves are... great!

Great post Tbone.

I was recently banned elsewhere for not knowingly violating a forum's rules. I posted a simple response from an artisan on his curing process. Apparently he was a banned vendor. I had no way of knowing he was ostracized.

Any kind of forum owned by a vendor, whether shaving or another hobby, is not a forum. As you said it's just advertising that business and nothing more. The worst part is how can anyone trust the reviews of that businesses products by their disciples?

Great post Tbone.

I was recently banned elsewhere for not knowingly violating a forum's rules. I posted a simple response from an artisan on his curing process. Apparently he was a banned vendor. I had no way of knowing he was ostracized.

Any kind of forum owned by a vendor, whether shaving or another hobby, is not a forum. As you said it's just advertising that business and nothing more. The worst part is how can anyone trust the reviews of that businesses products by their disciples?

All of the consumer reviews were deleted on that site. That really irked me as I gave considerable thought to my now-deleted reviews.

Great post Tbone.

I was recently banned elsewhere for not knowingly violating a forum's rules. I posted a simple response from an artisan on his curing process. Apparently he was a banned vendor. I had no way of knowing he was ostracized.

Any kind of forum owned by a vendor, whether shaving or another hobby, is not a forum. As you said it's just advertising that business and nothing more. The worst part is how can anyone trust the reviews of that businesses products by their disciples?

You was not banned for that reason, you know that. Mods deleted a thread where you were clearly acting like a representative of an artisan, there was also his signature at the end of the writing, and they informed you why they did that via pm without giving you a ban. Then you started another thread saying that the mods act like fascists and when they explained you why they did that, this time publicly, you attacked a member implying that he was bribed by the owner. All these are public and accessible to everyone who wants to read them.

If it's not a forum for you, then why were you participating all that time?

If you don't like a place, you simply don't go there. It's so simple.