2021/22 Rocnel Sailor Adjustable

 
Great pif, I'm in 

I'm almost afraid to admit this seeing how things turned.... Murat specifically said he was looking out for his best customer LOOT and was sending me the #1 MC just to take the heat off Loot...............

Wait. That's what Murat told me and said he was sending ME the #1...... 

Seriously, this is all rather disappointing -- the failure to abide by what Murat told LOOT, the misaligned "Sailor". All in all, it seems consistent with the sense I've gotten before that there is, for want of a better term, a bit of sloppiness with Murat not befitting, at least in my view, a top-of-the-line artisanal product. Such as the instance where the cap fell out.  There were a few posts in this thread last summer or autumn (I believe) where an argument was essentially made that because the razors are so innovative and from a small shop, some slack was warranted when defects/problems manifested.  I don't really see it like that. I expect higher quality from artisans.

On the other hand, after first checking that the "Sailor" was aligned properly on my 2021 MC, I sure got a great shave with it today!

Imagine the hype if he released a titanium version.  I would pony up for that one in a heartbeat as long as smaller details like etching alignment were not ignored.

Shudder to think what magical figure his dart will land on for the Ti version....$1,200 perhaps?
Im a late adopter so I would probably wait for the kinks to be ironed out before deciding.

Thanks for the condolences, Mr Sledge Sledge

Needless to say, I am beyond disappointed. A few pages back I mentioned not counting my chickens because unfortunately this isn't the first time. My #3 '21 Prototype was supposed to be #1. I manage to secure a verbal commitment to get #1 Titanium Sailor, if there is ever such a beast. I figured that was fair.

The '22 mix up puts me in an awkward spot. I am fairly certain I will never see that razor and #44 adds no value to my collection. I have not used the razor and won't. It was not bought to be a shaver. Not the end of the world, it's just a razor I suppose. I don't guess I need  all of them. Congrats to the bloke that gets a pretty pleasant surprise.

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When Murat first announced the 22MC he clearly said the numbers would be assigned according to when each order was confirmed. So I feel it would be quite wrong if he agreed to give you #1 when you weren’t the first to submit an order. Of course if you made your order based on an agreement that yours would be #1 then it’s also wrong that he didn’t do it, but I rather think he should not have agreed this in the first place.

I don’t much care what number mine is, but I do care that promises are kept and the first promise Murat made was that razor #1 would go to the first person to order it. Fair’s fair, right?

Not stellar all round, really.

EDIT: just a thought, but perhaps you could sell your #44 to the Formula 1 driver, Lewis Hamilton. He always uses #44 on his cars, even when he is entitled to use #1 as reigning world champion.

You have a valid point, I suppose.  I didn't ask to jump any line (not a claim you made).  I have no idea when he started the list, or even if there was a list.  Your post is the first I heard of a list.  All I know is when someone first posted a photo of the '22 MC in this thread, I immediately messaged Murat on IG and asked for #1.  He agreed and I left it alone.  If he had told me it was about to ship, I would have reminded him about #1.  Unfortunately, that didn't happen.

Doo doo happens brother.  I am sure it was just an oversight, like the misaligned etch.  I really don't need a 3rd Sailor that is essentially the same, unless it was #1. So I'm not calling for an pitchfork and torch march to Turkey (I refuse to conform) to lynch Murat.  I will figure out how to be made whole, with Murat's help or not, or someone is going to get a pretty nice PIF.  However, it is kinda nice to have this conversation in public to dispel any notions of special treatment for ol LOOT.  Or that ol LOOT is getting the best stuff for free/discount to push the gear to you mutts (affectionate, for the most part. *LOOT eyes ExtraProtein ).

As to #44...Lewis who?  I trust no man with a fenderless car.  Leads me to believe he is a little afraid to get dirty and trade paint.  If it ain't rubbin', it ain't racin'.

I did have that thought though.  I tried to sell it to my friend Big G george1906.  He is in Atlanta.  Seems like 44, in Atlanta, is a unicorn. I tried to make it seem like it was his idea even.  I think he saw thru my BS tho.

 
Great pif, I'm in 

I'm almost afraid to admit this seeing how things turned.... Murat specifically said he was looking out for his best customer LOOT and was sending me the #1 MC just to take the heat off Loot...............





























Dave runs for cover all the while yelling, I'm KIDDING !!!!! 

Ouch, that one's almost below the belt Dave come on.
I didn't just hear that haha

When Murat first announced the 22MC he clearly said the numbers would be assigned according to when each order was confirmed. So I feel it would be quite wrong if he agreed to give you #1 when you weren’t the first to submit an order. Of course if you made your order based on an agreement that yours would be #1 then it’s also wrong that he didn’t do it, but I rather think he should not have agreed this in the first place.

I don’t much care what number mine is, but I do care that promises are kept and the first promise Murat made was that razor #1 would go to the first person to order it. Fair’s fair, right?

Not stellar all round, really.

EDIT: just a thought, but perhaps you could sell your #44 to the Formula 1 driver, Lewis Hamilton. He always uses #44 on his cars, even when he is entitled to use #1 as reigning world champion.

You have a valid point, I suppose.  I didn't ask to jump any line (not a claim you made).  I have no idea when he started the list, or even if there was a list.  Your post is the first I heard of a list.  All I know is when someone first posted a photo of the '22 MC in this thread, I immediately messaged Murat on IG and asked for #1.  He agreed and I left it alone.  If he had told me it was about to ship, I would have reminded him about #1.  Unfortunately, that didn't happen.

Doo doo happens brother.  I am sure it was just an oversight, like the misaligned etch.  I really don't need a 3rd Sailor that is essentially the same, unless it was #1. So I'm not calling for an pitchfork and torch march to Turkey (I refuse to conform) to lynch Murat.  I will figure out how to be made whole, with Murat's help or not, or someone is going to get a pretty nice PIF.  However, it is kinda nice to have this conversation in public to dispel any notions of special treatment for ol LOOT.  Or that ol LOOT is getting the best stuff for free/discount to push the gear to you mutts (affectionate, for the most part. *LOOT eyes ExtraProtein ).

As to #44...Lewis who?  I trust no man with a fenderless car.  Leads me to believe he is a little afraid to get dirty and trade paint.  If it ain't rubbin', it ain't racin'.

I did have that thought though.  I tried to sell it to my friend Big G george1906.  He is in Atlanta.  Seems like 44, in Atlanta, is a unicorn. I tried to make it seem like it was his idea even.  I think he saw thru my BS tho.

 
Great pif, I'm in 

I'm almost afraid to admit this seeing how things turned.... Murat specifically said he was looking out for his best customer LOOT and was sending me the #1 MC just to take the heat off Loot...............





























Dave runs for cover all the while yelling, I'm KIDDING !!!!! 

Ouch, that one's almost below the belt Dave come on.
I didn't just hear that haha

Let's not turn it into something it is not.....
Absolutely NO disrespect was intended. Loot seemed to be tongue in cheek joking about it and that's all I was doing. LOOT my apologies if it was taken any other way !

You have a valid point, I suppose.  I didn't ask to jump any line (not a claim you made).  I have no idea when he started the list, or even if there was a list.  Your post is the first I heard of a list.  All I know is when someone first posted a photo of the '22 MC in this thread, I immediately messaged Murat on IG and asked for #1.  He agreed and I left it alone.  If he had told me it was about to ship, I would have reminded him about #1.  Unfortunately, that didn't happen.

Doo doo happens brother.  I am sure it was just an oversight, like the misaligned etch.  I really don't need a 3rd Sailor that is essentially the same, unless it was #1. So I'm not calling for an pitchfork and torch march to Turkey (I refuse to conform) to lynch Murat.  I will figure out how to be made whole, with Murat's help or not, or someone is going to get a pretty nice PIF.  However, it is kinda nice to have this conversation in public to dispel any notions of special treatment for ol LOOT.  Or that ol LOOT is getting the best stuff for free/discount to push the gear to you mutts (affectionate, for the most part. *LOOT eyes ExtraProtein ).

As to #44...Lewis who?  I trust no man with a fenderless car.  Leads me to believe he is a little afraid to get dirty and trade paint.  If it ain't rubbin', it ain't racin'.

I did have that thought though.  I tried to sell it to my friend Big G george1906.  He is in Atlanta.  Seems like 44, in Atlanta, is a unicorn. I tried to make it seem like it was his idea even.  I think he saw thru my BS tho.

 
Great pif, I'm in 

I'm almost afraid to admit this seeing how things turned.... Murat specifically said he was looking out for his best customer LOOT and was sending me the #1 MC just to take the heat off Loot...............





























Dave runs for cover all the while yelling, I'm KIDDING !!!!! 

Ouch, that one's almost below the belt Dave come on.
I didn't just hear that haha

Let's not turn it into something it is not.....
Absolutely NO disrespect was intended. Loot seemed to be tongue in cheek joking about it and that's all I was doing. LOOT my apologies if it was taken any other way !

No worries. You made me laugh, Dave. You read my post with the exact level of smartass I typed it with. May as well make light of an otherwise dim situation.

PS. You are now #1 on the PIF list. Promise. Maybe.

I will say this. The razors are way beyond my buy point and means but I was actually weakening and on a couple occasions I thought of pulling a trigger I shouldn't. The building failures to meet the mark he set for his price point and further lack of caring for the situations has me thankful I never gave in and ordered one. I don't care how well it shaves. At the price he charges there should be zero issues and if there are he should handle it. Until he is held to that standard he will continue to push his envelope of how little he has to care about quality because they keep getting purchased. That's my thoughts. Climbing down from my soap box and moving on.

Ouch, that one's almost below the belt Dave come on.
I didn't just hear that haha

Let's not turn it into something it is not.....
Absolutely NO disrespect was intended. Loot seemed to be tongue in cheek joking about it and that's all I was doing. LOOT my apologies if it was taken any other way !

No worries.  You made me laugh, Dave.  You read my post with the exact level of smartass I typed it with.  May as well make light of an otherwise dim situation.

PS.  You are now #1 on the PIF list.  Promise.  Maybe.

That made me snort laugh Buddy

LOOT : does the '22 model shave better than previous models?
If not better, different?

LOOT : does the '22 model shave better than previous models?
If not better, different?

I have not used the '22. I want to keep it new in case Murat wants it back.

I am pretty sure Clouds posted a comparison a few pages back. Mr. Clouds likely knows more about Sailors than me. If I recall, he said the 22 is about a 1/4 turn milder.

You have a valid point, I suppose.  I didn't ask to jump any line (not a claim you made).  I have no idea when he started the list, or even if there was a list.  Your post is the first I heard of a list.  All I know is when someone first posted a photo of the '22 MC in this thread, I immediately messaged Murat on IG and asked for #1.  He agreed and I left it alone.  If he had told me it was about to ship, I would have reminded him about #1.  Unfortunately, that didn't happen.

Doo doo happens brother.  I am sure it was just an oversight, like the misaligned etch.  I really don't need a 3rd Sailor that is essentially the same, unless it was #1. So I'm not calling for an pitchfork and torch march to Turkey (I refuse to conform) to lynch Murat.  I will figure out how to be made whole, with Murat's help or not, or someone is going to get a pretty nice PIF.  However, it is kinda nice to have this conversation in public to dispel any notions of special treatment for ol LOOT.  Or that ol LOOT is getting the best stuff for free/discount to push the gear to you mutts (affectionate, for the most part. *LOOT eyes ExtraProtein ).

As to #44...Lewis who?  I trust no man with a fenderless car.  Leads me to believe he is a little afraid to get dirty and trade paint.  If it ain't rubbin', it ain't racin'.

I did have that thought though.  I tried to sell it to my friend Big G george1906.  He is in Atlanta.  Seems like 44, in Atlanta, is a unicorn. I tried to make it seem like it was his idea even.  I think he saw thru my BS tho.

 
Great pif, I'm in 

I'm almost afraid to admit this seeing how things turned.... Murat specifically said he was looking out for his best customer LOOT and was sending me the #1 MC just to take the heat off Loot...............





























Dave runs for cover all the while yelling, I'm KIDDING !!!!! 

Ouch, that one's almost below the belt Dave come on.
I didn't just hear that haha

Let's not turn it into something it is not.....
Absolutely NO disrespect was intended. Loot seemed to be tongue in cheek joking about it and that's all I was doing. LOOT my apologies if it was taken any other way !

Not turning it into anything but the joke it is. You can't obviously hear my joking tone, that's the problem with this electronic wizardry. 
  You should know by now I'm a joker two.
  Joking sir Dave. 
 I really ended up with razor #1! Joking