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(11-18-2021, 02:44 PM)cornbread Wrote:
(11-18-2021, 02:18 PM)LOOT Wrote:
(11-18-2021, 01:02 PM)cornbread Wrote: Great suggestion. Plenty of wiggle room to fit even with gold plating at a few microns.

Sucks it came out, Mr. Bread. Definitely reach out to Murat and keep us posted.

Gold plating would be interesting.

He suggested loctite. 100% getting it gold plated this weekend. guy around the corner will do it for $30.
Interested to see the final product. Keep us posted.

Interestingly, I used mine yesterday on 8. First time since I've been over 6. It looses some smoothness but I'm 23 hours post shave and barely getting regrowth.

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Me too, the engraving in gold would look wonderful.

That's the thing with these Rocnels, I always need to skip an extra day just to get an appreciable amount of growth back. I'm almost certain it's the solid bar, it's got some secret sauce or something.
(11-18-2021, 02:51 PM)LOOT Wrote:
(11-18-2021, 02:44 PM)cornbread Wrote:
(11-18-2021, 02:18 PM)LOOT Wrote: Sucks it came out, Mr. Bread. Definitely reach out to Murat and keep us posted.

Gold plating would be interesting.

He suggested loctite. 100% getting it gold plated this weekend. guy around the corner will do it for $30.
Interested to see the final product. Keep us posted.

Interestingly, I used mine yesterday on 8. First time since I've been over 6. It looses some smoothness but I'm 23 hours post shave and barely getting regrowth.

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(This post was last modified: 11-18-2021, 04:42 PM by keto.)
(11-18-2021, 02:44 PM)cornbread Wrote:
(11-18-2021, 02:18 PM)LOOT Wrote:
(11-18-2021, 01:02 PM)cornbread Wrote: Great suggestion. Plenty of wiggle room to fit even with gold plating at a few microns.

Sucks it came out, Mr. Bread.  Definitely reach out to Murat and keep us posted.

Gold plating would be interesting.

He suggested loctite. 100% getting it gold plated this weekend. guy around the corner will do it for $30.

Sweet , turning lemons into lemon juice.
Edit: or Lemonade

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Living on the edge
(This post was last modified: 11-18-2021, 05:54 PM by Tester28.)
Getting some remarkable shaves out of this beast.

I am not confident I could be this sanguine if the bottom fell out of my razor.

This should not happen with a $700 price tag.

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(11-18-2021, 05:52 PM)Tester28 Wrote: Getting some remarkable shaves out of this beast.

I am not confident I could be this sanguine if the bottom fell out of my razor.

This should not happen with a $700 price tag.

It's part of the whole Rocnel ownership experience...the quirkiness Smile

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Just Here for the Shaves
Williamsburg, KY
(11-18-2021, 05:52 PM)Tester28 Wrote: This should not happen with a $700 price tag.

But Murat touch it Big Grin

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This is an artisan razor. Low volume production.
I don't like bad quality control. But this is a time dependent problem, and you get it from any artisan brand.
As soon as you can fix it easily, not affecting shave or you can get good customer service, it is not an important issue.

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(11-18-2021, 07:05 PM)CK89 Wrote: This is an artisan razor. Low volume production.
I don't like bad quality control. But this is a time dependent problem, and you get it from any artisan brand.
As soon as you can fix it easily, not affecting shave or you can get good customer service, it is not an important issue.

Pretty much this. The problem has a fix and is relatively easy to do so. It's a blessing in disguise, Mr. Cornbread now has the opportunity to gold plate that piece.

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Living on the edge
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(11-18-2021, 06:13 PM)Frl2 Wrote: It's part of the whole Rocnel ownership experience...the quirkiness Smile

I think Woody Allen is quirky....Robert Maplethorpe is quirky and so is Dave Chappelle.

But a component falling off a $700 razor is not quirky...it's kinda alarming and disappointing.

In this case it's lucky the fix can be done at home and does not require shipping back
to Turkey...which from what I understand has a fairly "quirky" postal system. It's also good that Murat
is a lovely, understanding guy.

But I hope he takes note for future output....on the other hand, the poster did not mention any other event leading
up to this mishap...was there some kind of unforeseen impact that may have loosened it?

I will continue to use this razor very carefully and deliberately as I always have. As I said before
I wish its grip could be improved

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Tester, you absolutely must never buy a Ferrari. They look lovely from a distance but if you look closely at the details it is quickly apparent they are not up to the standards of a high volume mass production car like a Mercedes or a Toyota. Owners buy Ferraris for other reasons, not the build quality, and they would indeed be disappointed if they had thought the astronomical price tag should imply otherwise. Ferraris are built the way low volume, non-automated production things are built. The stitching on the leather is wonky, the welds are clumsy, panels don’t always fit as perfectly as you’d like, and occasionally they catch fire. Owning a Ferrari is bracing and exciting, in many ways.

That said, Rocnel razors are not all that expensive, and mine seems to be impeccably engineered and built. Certainly a lot better built than any Ferrari. But if Murat is making maybe a hundred and then tweaking the design a bit and making a hundred slightly different ones, it is inevitable that there will be some defects from time to time. He doesn’t allow himself the volume and stability of production to identify and iron out every possible failure point. And that’s also one of the things that makes buying a Rocnel attractive - it’s always new and improved and a bit experimental.

I guess my point is that I bought a particular limited-time variant of what was already a single year, low production razor design, expecting that it was well made with high quality materials, and an excellent shaver. And it is all of those things. I also knew that it is essentially a prototype in some ways, and that Murat’s drive to continually tweak and improve the razor means they will always be prototypes. Each new variant will improve on issues that were found in prior versions, but will also introduce new ideas that can result in a small number of unforseen new issues. He could eliminate these issues by making the exact same razor for several years, perfecting every element of production, and not changing the product. But I’m sort of glad that he doesn’t work that way. It is a constantly evolving product, and I think that’s cool. There’s a risk that comes with that, which of course causes occasional disappointments, but it is inevitable and all Murat can do in this circumstance is stand behind his product and take good care of his customers when they have issues, which I think he does.

The defect rate on Sailors seems to be very low for a limited time, low production, and somewhat complex item. But we can’t expect the defect rate to match that of any highly automated and long-term mass produced razor, like a Mühle R89, for example. The flipside is that the Sailor is much more rare, special, innovative, and evolved. I think that is the calculus that buyers have to make.

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