Upcoming ATT Windsor Pro

With the covid situation going on and the disastrous ramifications the humanity as a whole has faced, I'm thinking twice before buying a chinese product. It's not just the jobs and plants etc that are going gone. Look around you. On purpose or not, they are the ones to blame. Either they like eating bats and rats or they created as a mass weapon, I don't know the truth, but they brought it to every nation, this destroyed the global economic system and they didn't let every nation know on time to take precautionary measures. This is the most important thing to consider IMHO.

I don't care if it's made in China. This is what you can't understand. The OneBlade I had costs twice more than the Outlaw and bought it because I had no problem that is made in China. I don't care about politics.

Ok boss...

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This person is obsessed with me. I get it. You don't get a life within a few days but do your best. You'll make it eventually.

Yes, thinking twice it doesn't mean I won't buy anything that it's made in China because it's very difficult. If I stop using any chinese product, I'll have to bin so many products I use in my daily live. We all own chinese products. Parts of our favorite items are made in China nowadays. This is the world we live in. By thinking twice, you check for alternatives. If you are able to find one, good for you.

Still not interested in politics. The covid19 situation is not politics. It's a matter that affects our lives, our health. Health is the most important and priceless thing a human has. Without this, you have nothing. Absolutely nothing. I blame China because it came from them, on purpose or not. I can't be sure, I don't have facts showing any evidence. The last few months, I care much more about a product's origin. And all makers are obliged by law to provide this info. I care more nowadays seeing the disastrous effects our planet has seen. And this is not politics. I have met Chinese people in real life, I have nothing against them as individuals. I'm not a racist. Covid19 though is a chinese "product".

Enjoy your razor and stop having obsessions with strangers. This will get you nowhere. You will be ignored from now on because I've already spent too much energy.

Best of all outcomes would be you stop cluttering DFS with your off topic "non political" nonsense and stick to razors.

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yes, let's stick to the product at hand, not politics as it can get messy as hell.

At this point for me, razors are discretionary spending and I don't have a razor that's better than the US made ATT H1 including the 3 Wolfman that I have so I may have bought this if it was made in the US but not now that it isn't going to be.

A number of people that participate in forums nowadays are pretty much lifeless or retired or both, meaning they have lots of time on their hands and this allows them to have plenty of obsessions. No purpose in life.

ATT is an innovative company. You rarely see comments about their razors lately, but they have good razors. I especially liked the G1. We'll see about the future. They didn't provide any info regarding the country or countries. We are just making assumptions. It's up to the buyer at the end of the day.

A number of people that participate in forums nowadays are pretty much lifeless or retired or both, meaning they have lots of time on their hands and this allows them to have plenty of obsessions. No purpose in life.

ATT is an innovative company. You rarely see comments about their razors lately, but they have good razors. I especially liked the G1. We'll see about the future. They didn't provide any info regarding the country or countries. We are just making assumptions. It's up to the buyer at the end of the day.

that's a bit uncalled for...so what if they're retired?

calm down or go somewhere else for the day.

It’s always sad to see work here in America get off-shored. Even if the particular shop has other work and is still expanding it’s still a net loss for an industry already in trouble.

Perhaps he could do both and offer American made razors along side the foreign made and let customers decide.

ATT confirmed on a B&B thread that all production is currently being shifted specifically to China but that in the future there could be some non stainless steel production in the US:

"Just like the Apple IPhone and other popular products, the Windsor Pro line of razors are designed and assembled in the US, and manufactured in China.

As stated on the website, we have been working on this for sometime. Everything was in place to start the manufacturing when the COVID-19 outbreak happened. Since the factory that is manufacturing the razors was shut down for 6 weeks, the razors are late being sent. While we were disappointed they would ship out later than expected , we were impressed that the manufacturer cared so much about their employees and customers safety. ...

We are looking into the possibility of US production of razors made from other material, instead of stainless and aluminum. We will keep everyone posted on that development, as it’s still in the very early stages.
We are very excited about our new products, and hope everyone will love them as much as we do. We hope to come out with more designs and options soon!"

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A number of people that participate in forums nowadays are pretty much lifeless or retired or both, meaning they have lots of time on their hands and this allows them to have plenty of obsessions. No purpose in life.

ATT is an innovative company. You rarely see comments about their razors lately, but they have good razors. I especially liked the G1. We'll see about the future. They didn't provide any info regarding the country or countries. We are just making assumptions. It's up to the buyer at the end of the day.

that's a bit uncalled for...so what if they're retired?

calm down or go somewhere else for the day.

I said a number of people that are having obsessions with members. I was referring to them and yes, they clearly have much time on their hands meaning they are lifeless or retired or both. I respect the retired people in general. They have my full support and admiration. I don't like people that are obsessed with me, ready to criticize any comment I make. I hate that. A specific member is quoting me all the time as if his life has no meaning and all he does is that. Look at my last few posts. They are quoted by the same person. Tell him to stop too. I haven't seen any similar comment to this member. I asked him to stop quoting me and he continues to be a jerk. I won't like seeing this thread locked so I'll stop, Andrew. I'll be a reader instead of a participant in this thread from now on. You're right.

This new ATT design is easy on the eye and has refined finishes. The other thing I really like about ATT is their parts are interchangeable. They’re also modifying blade angles on this model so this is a new offering. We can all debate how “innovative” it is, but to me that’s non-sequitur. Some “artisans” seemingly like to talk about how “innovative” they are - good for them, whatever makes you think you’re special. These ATT guys are not forum hounds that look to influence demand for their razors. And they certainly don’t talk about what they think of other razor brands/makers - they’re above that. They just make great razors, and let their products speak for themselves.

This new ATT design is easy on the eye and has refined finishes. The other thing I really like about ATT is their parts are interchangeable.  They’re also modifying blade angles on this model so this is a new offering.  We can all debate how “innovative” it is, but to me that’s non-sequitur.  Some “artisans” seemingly like to talk about how “innovative” they are - good for them, whatever makes you think you’re special.  These ATT guys are not forum hounds that look to influence demand for their razors.  And they certainly don’t talk about what they think of other razor brands/makers - they’re above that.  They just make great razors, and let their products speak for themselves.

You know not of what you speak in your thinly veiled criticism of me. ATT has long been my inspiration and my business couldn’t exist without them. I’ve met Stan and loved speaking with him. He’s a wonderful guy and ATT is a wonderful company. I’ve easily guided dozens of customers to ATT when I felt that their razors were a better fit than mine were. I believe in growing the pie and not getting a larger piece for myself. There’s nobody more I’d like to be successful than them. For what it’s worth, I don’t think I’m innovative. I make razors. But I do think wet shaving companies thrive when they constantly push new products and drive forward and I’m skeptical that price is the limiting factor. I’m entitled to my educated opinion and being a business won’t prevent me from sharing it. Next time please just address me directly or, better yet, request clarification if you feel I’ve spoken improperly.

This new ATT design is easy on the eye and has refined finishes. The other thing I really like about ATT is their parts are interchangeable.  They’re also modifying blade angles on this model so this is a new offering.  We can all debate how “innovative” it is, but to me that’s non-sequitur.  Some “artisans” seemingly like to talk about how “innovative” they are - good for them, whatever makes you think you’re special.  These ATT guys are not forum hounds that look to influence demand for their razors.  And they certainly don’t talk about what they think of other razor brands/makers - they’re above that.  They just make great razors, and let their products speak for themselves.

You know not of what you speak in your thinly veiled criticism of me. ATT has long been my inspiration and my business couldn’t exist without them. I’ve met Stan and loved speaking with him. He’s a wonderful guy and ATT is a wonderful company. I’ve easily guided dozens of customers to ATT when I felt that their razors were a better fit than mine were. I believe in growing the pie and not getting a larger piece for myself. There’s nobody more I’d like to be successful than them. For what it’s worth, I don’t think I’m innovative. I make razors. But I do think wet shaving companies thrive when they constantly push new products and drive forward and I’m skeptical that price is the limiting factor. I’m entitled to my educated opinion and being a business won’t prevent me from sharing it. Next time please just address me directly or, better yet, request clarification if you feel I’ve spoken improperly.

In my profession, one generally doesn't make seemingly critical remarks about another professional or their business in a public forum, particularly if said business was my inspiration owned by a now retired gentleman that blazed a trail for me.  Your words, not mine:
"The real reason that ATT isn't as popular as it used to be is because they haven't actually released anything new or innovative in years."  "ATT hasn't had a hit since the SE1 came out years ago. In fact, they haven't really even tried.”
I don't know Stan personally or professionally, I just like some of his razors and how he ran his business.  And I'm not looking to start a war of words; clearly there are monumentally bigger issues to ponder in the world today.  I just thought your comments were a bit brazen in a post about a competitor's new razor release, so I too was just expressing my opinion.  And now I'm done. . . but for your closing remark:  Next time I'll. . . well. . .  do as I decide, thanks.