#1
Has anyone ever heard of a Thater Super badger 3 band shaving brush? I received the email from Bullgoose Shaving about their new line of Thater Super 3 band badger brushes but I have never seen or heard of a Super badger brush by Thater. As far as I know Thater only makes Silvertip brushes with 2 and 3 band. I read an interview a while back with the CEO of Thater and he explained that his 2 and 3 band brushes use the same silvertip hair, and the 2 bands have a lower loft which gives the 2 band appearance. Is this a new brush they came out with or are the brushes at Bullgoose actually Silvertip? Or have they always made Super badger brushes and I just missed them. Royal Shave and Shaving.ie only offer Silvertip 2 and 3 band bulb and fan, and Royal Shave has a very large selection, thus I assumed they carried them all.
#2
(05-28-2016, 04:07 AM)Hobbyist Wrote: Has anyone ever heard of a Thater Super badger 3 band shaving brush? I received the email from Bullgoose Shaving about their new line of Thater Super 3 band badger brushes but I have never seen or heard of a Super badger brush by Thater. As far as I know Thater only makes Silvertip brushes with 2 and 3 band. I read an interview a while back with the CEO of Thater and he explained that his 2 and 3 band brushes use the same silvertip hair, and the 2 bands have a lower loft which gives the 2 band appearance. Is this a new brush they came out with or are the brushes at Bullgoose actually Silvertip? Or have they always made Super badger brushes and I just missed them. Royal Shave and Shaving.ie only offer Silvertip 2 and 3 band bulb and fan, and Royal Shave has a very large selection, thus I assumed they carried them all.


Super 3-band is the same as Silvertip 3-band.

Super 2-band is the same as Silvertip 2-band.

Vendors and manufacturers name them what they like pretty much. No standards.

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#3
(05-28-2016, 04:17 AM)CHSeifert Wrote:
(05-28-2016, 04:07 AM)Hobbyist Wrote: Has anyone ever heard of a Thater Super badger 3 band shaving brush? I received the email from Bullgoose Shaving about their new line of Thater Super 3 band badger brushes but I have never seen or heard of a Super badger brush by Thater. As far as I know Thater only makes Silvertip brushes with 2 and 3 band. I read an interview a while back with the CEO of Thater and he explained that his 2 and 3 band brushes use the same silvertip hair, and the 2 bands have a lower loft which gives the 2 band appearance. Is this a new brush they came out with or are the brushes at Bullgoose actually Silvertip? Or have they always made Super badger brushes and I just missed them. Royal Shave and Shaving.ie only offer Silvertip 2 and 3 band bulb and fan, and Royal Shave has a very large selection, thus I assumed they carried them all.


Super 3-band is the same as Silvertip 3-band.

Super 2-band is the same as Silvertip 2-band.

Vendors and manufacturers name them what they like pretty much. No standards.

I thought Super was just below Silvertip. Everything I read says Silvertip is hair from the badger neck. If super is indeed taken from the neck then why wouldn't a merchant want to call them Silvertip, especially a brush as high priced as Thater. Oh well, I don't claim to be an expert on badger but this is the first time I've seen Silvertip referred to as Super. Shows how little I know I guess, but from a marketing standpoint I would not be calling Silvertip brushes Super if this is the case. I take it Simpson Super brushes are actually Silvertip then right?
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(This post was last modified: 05-28-2016, 06:14 AM by CHSeifert.)
(05-28-2016, 05:13 AM)Hobbyist Wrote:
(05-28-2016, 04:17 AM)CHSeifert Wrote:
(05-28-2016, 04:07 AM)Hobbyist Wrote: Has anyone ever heard of a Thater Super badger 3 band shaving brush? I received the email from Bullgoose Shaving about their new line of Thater Super 3 band badger brushes but I have never seen or heard of a Super badger brush by Thater. As far as I know Thater only makes Silvertip brushes with 2 and 3 band. I read an interview a while back with the CEO of Thater and he explained that his 2 and 3 band brushes use the same silvertip hair, and the 2 bands have a lower loft which gives the 2 band appearance. Is this a new brush they came out with or are the brushes at Bullgoose actually Silvertip? Or have they always made Super badger brushes and I just missed them. Royal Shave and Shaving.ie only offer Silvertip 2 and 3 band bulb and fan, and Royal Shave has a very large selection, thus I assumed they carried them all.


Super 3-band is the same as Silvertip 3-band.

Super 2-band is the same as Silvertip 2-band.

Vendors and manufacturers name them what they like pretty much. No standards.

I thought Super was just below Silvertip. Everything I read says Silvertip is hair from the badger neck. If super is indeed taken from the neck then why wouldn't a merchant want to call them Silvertip, especially a brush as high priced as Thater. Oh well, I don't claim to be an expert on badger but this is the first time I've seen Silvertip referred to as Super. Shows how little I know I guess, but from a marketing standpoint I would not be calling Silvertip brushes Super if this is the case. I take it Simpson Super brushes are actually Silvertip then right?

Simpsons finest and best quality badger hair - the 3-Band badger hair is always called Super 3-Band.
This hair type is the finest and best quality Simpson sell officially.
The Simpson Super 3-Band knots are the most densely packed in the Simpson line.
It's also the most expensive brush in their official line.
If this aren't eqaul to Silvertip 3-band, then what is ?

In the Simpson Limited Edition shop, not the official shops, Manchurian 2-band is the most expensive hair type followed by 2-Band Silvertip. The first bacthes of Silvertip 2-Band from Simpson were actually called Super 2-Band, because they all came in the handles, that also were used for the 3-Band Super hair knots. Some even also came in the Best handles, when Simpson ran out of handles - but at first they were called Super 2-Band. Then Simpson put the name Silvertip on the 2-Band brushes, and now it's officially the only unofficial Simpson carrying the name Silvertip.

I guarantee you, that Simpson 3-Band Super comes from the same place as Silvertip badher hair comes from !

I was also confused like you are, when I first tried to get information about badger hair types back in 2012 and asked the same questions.

There are no official rules for naming badger hair type.

Just to cofuse you.....
Silvertip 3-band hair is not always softer in feel, than 2-band Super hair. Some 2-Band Super has softer tips, but more backbone than Silvertip 3-band. But that has to do with the bager hair used, knot size, knot shape and loft of the knot - all in combination.

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(05-28-2016, 06:12 AM)CHSeifert Wrote:
(05-28-2016, 05:13 AM)Hobbyist Wrote:
(05-28-2016, 04:17 AM)CHSeifert Wrote: Super 3-band is the same as Silvertip 3-band.

Super 2-band is the same as Silvertip 2-band.

Vendors and manufacturers name them what they like pretty much. No standards.

I thought Super was just below Silvertip. Everything I read says Silvertip is hair from the badger neck. If super is indeed taken from the neck then why wouldn't a merchant want to call them Silvertip, especially a brush as high priced as Thater. Oh well, I don't claim to be an expert on badger but this is the first time I've seen Silvertip referred to as Super. Shows how little I know I guess, but from a marketing standpoint I would not be calling Silvertip brushes Super if this is the case. I take it Simpson Super brushes are actually Silvertip then right?

Simpsons finest and best quality badger hair - the 3-Band badger hair is always called Super 3-Band.
This hair type is the finest and best quality Simpson sell officially.
The Simpson Super 3-Band knots are the most densely packed in the Simpson line.
It's also the most expensive brush in their official line.
If this aren't eqaul to Silvertip 3-band, then what is ?

In the Simpson Limited Edition shop, not the official shops, Manchurian 2-band is the most expensive hair type followed by 2-Band Silvertip. The first bacthes of Silvertip 2-Band from Simpson were actually called Super 2-Band, because they all came in the handles, that also were used for the 3-Band Super hair knots. Some even also came in the Best handles, when Simpson ran out of handles - but at first they were called Super 2-Band. Then Simpson put the name Silvertip on the 2-Band brushes, and now it's officially the only unofficial Simpson carrying the name Silvertip.

I guarantee you, that Simpson 3-Band Super comes from the same place as Silvertip badher hair comes from !

I was also confused like you are, when I first tried to get information about badger hair types back in 2012 and asked the same questions.

There are no official rules for naming badger hair type.

Just to cofuse you.....
Silvertip 3-band hair is not always softer in feel, than 2-band Super hair. Some 2-Band Super has softer tips, but more backbone than Silvertip 3-band. But that has to do with the bager hair used, knot size, knot shape and loft of the knot - all in combination.

Doesn't silvertip hair have to be from the neck to be considered silvertip? If that's the case, as I have read everywhere I have checked, then Simpson Super has to be from the neck or else it isn't Silvertip after all. Am I correct here? If not, I am really confused because that is what everything I have read says. But often Super isn't even considered a badger hair grade from what I've read, only pure, best, finest, and silvertip. I assume Manchurian would have the same classes depending on which part of the body the hair comes from but I have never seen it said that way. I'm learning but still confused due to marketing.
#6
(05-28-2016, 06:21 AM)Hobbyist Wrote:
(05-28-2016, 06:12 AM)CHSeifert Wrote:
(05-28-2016, 05:13 AM)Hobbyist Wrote: I thought Super was just below Silvertip. Everything I read says Silvertip is hair from the badger neck. If super is indeed taken from the neck then why wouldn't a merchant want to call them Silvertip, especially a brush as high priced as Thater. Oh well, I don't claim to be an expert on badger but this is the first time I've seen Silvertip referred to as Super. Shows how little I know I guess, but from a marketing standpoint I would not be calling Silvertip brushes Super if this is the case. I take it Simpson Super brushes are actually Silvertip then right?

Simpsons finest and best quality badger hair - the 3-Band badger hair is always called Super 3-Band.
This hair type is the finest and best quality Simpson sell officially.
The Simpson Super 3-Band knots are the most densely packed in the Simpson line.
It's also the most expensive brush in their official line.
If this aren't eqaul to Silvertip 3-band, then what is ?

In the Simpson Limited Edition shop, not the official shops, Manchurian 2-band is the most expensive hair type followed by 2-Band Silvertip. The first bacthes of Silvertip 2-Band from Simpson were actually called Super 2-Band, because they all came in the handles, that also were used for the 3-Band Super hair knots. Some even also came in the Best handles, when Simpson ran out of handles - but at first they were called Super 2-Band. Then Simpson put the name Silvertip on the 2-Band brushes, and now it's officially the only unofficial Simpson carrying the name Silvertip.

I guarantee you, that Simpson 3-Band Super comes from the same place as Silvertip badher hair comes from !

I was also confused like you are, when I first tried to get information about badger hair types back in 2012 and asked the same questions.

There are no official rules for naming badger hair type.

Just to cofuse you.....
Silvertip 3-band hair is not always softer in feel, than 2-band Super hair. Some 2-Band Super has softer tips, but more backbone than Silvertip 3-band. But that has to do with the bager hair used, knot size, knot shape and loft of the knot - all in combination.

Doesn't silvertip hair have to be from the neck to be considered silvertip? If that's the case, as I have read everywhere I have checked, then Simpson Super has to be from the neck or else it isn't Silvertip after all. Am I correct here? If not, I am really confused because that is what everything I have read says. But often Super isn't even considered a badger hair grade from what I've read, only pure, best, finest, and silvertip. I assume Manchurian would have the same classes depending on which part of the body the hair comes from but I have never seen it said that way. I'm learning but still confused due to marketing.

As Claus already mentioned above: there is no international standard for badger hair - actually there is no standard anywhere for badger hair. You can name your hair type anyway you like - you can call it Hobbyist 7-band Magnificent for all that matters...

Vendors try to use the names, they think will sell products - Super - Silvertip - Manchurian - Out of this World - Best Ever - it is all just MARKETING!

And to make things even worse: you buy from the same maker the same brush a couple weeks apart and the knots are totally different from each other...because they are a different batch of hair from different animals.

That's why some vendors/brush makers get so much praise. Their knots are consistent over years - while with other it is always a gamble...

Do your research, read more than one review and don't trust fanboys and people who just got their first decent badger.

Also know what you are paying for. Is it the name, the handle, the knot or a combination of the three...

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#7
(05-28-2016, 06:21 AM)Hobbyist Wrote:
(05-28-2016, 06:12 AM)CHSeifert Wrote:
(05-28-2016, 05:13 AM)Hobbyist Wrote: I thought Super was just below Silvertip. Everything I read says Silvertip is hair from the badger neck. If super is indeed taken from the neck then why wouldn't a merchant want to call them Silvertip, especially a brush as high priced as Thater. Oh well, I don't claim to be an expert on badger but this is the first time I've seen Silvertip referred to as Super. Shows how little I know I guess, but from a marketing standpoint I would not be calling Silvertip brushes Super if this is the case. I take it Simpson Super brushes are actually Silvertip then right?

Simpsons finest and best quality badger hair - the 3-Band badger hair is always called Super 3-Band.
This hair type is the finest and best quality Simpson sell officially.
The Simpson Super 3-Band knots are the most densely packed in the Simpson line.
It's also the most expensive brush in their official line.
If this aren't eqaul to Silvertip 3-band, then what is ?

In the Simpson Limited Edition shop, not the official shops, Manchurian 2-band is the most expensive hair type followed by 2-Band Silvertip. The first bacthes of Silvertip 2-Band from Simpson were actually called Super 2-Band, because they all came in the handles, that also were used for the 3-Band Super hair knots. Some even also came in the Best handles, when Simpson ran out of handles - but at first they were called Super 2-Band. Then Simpson put the name Silvertip on the 2-Band brushes, and now it's officially the only unofficial Simpson carrying the name Silvertip.

I guarantee you, that Simpson 3-Band Super comes from the same place as Silvertip badher hair comes from !

I was also confused like you are, when I first tried to get information about badger hair types back in 2012 and asked the same questions.

There are no official rules for naming badger hair type.

Just to cofuse you.....
Silvertip 3-band hair is not always softer in feel, than 2-band Super hair. Some 2-Band Super has softer tips, but more backbone than Silvertip 3-band. But that has to do with the bager hair used, knot size, knot shape and loft of the knot - all in combination.

Doesn't silvertip hair have to be from the neck to be considered silvertip? If that's the case, as I have read everywhere I have checked, then Simpson Super has to be from the neck or else it isn't Silvertip after all. Am I correct here? If not, I am really confused because that is what everything I have read says. But often Super isn't even considered a badger hair grade from what I've read, only pure, best, finest, and silvertip. I assume Manchurian would have the same classes depending on which part of the body the hair comes from but I have never seen it said that way. I'm learning but still confused due to marketing.

Please show me a link to where ou have read that Super isn't a badger hair type ?

I have been on all forums, bought 100's of high end badger brushes, spoken with a lot of manufacturers, and have never heard - sorry, but have to say such rubbish.

Whterher or not Simpson Super hair is from the neack or the back of th badger really does not mean a thing, once you have tyested and owned a various range of high end badger hair brushes.

I own a Chubby 2 Best hair limited edition (only made in 25 copies) brush from Simpson that has arguably the softest badger hair I have ever owned - this Best hair 3-band should accordingly have badger hair from the belly of the badger. Well let me tell you, that among the 150+ HIGH end badger brushes I have owned, all with a price tag from $125-$600, this Chubby 2 Best hair 3-band badger is among the softest in feel and most dense badger hair brushes I have owned, which is why I kept that and sold a good deal of the others. It is softer than the 2 Super 3-band brushes I have owned in the same model from Simpson. It's not softer than my Thäters, but Thäters are the softest badgers you can get. Thäters in some models do lack backbone, which is why some don't always love them. You need to find the right model, that fits you to really enjoy a Thäter IMHO

You can't - I repeat - you can't try to determine what hair type the manufacturers use, by reading about what type of badger the different hair are taken from, when the manufacturers don't give a hoot about these definitions.

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#8
(05-28-2016, 06:44 AM)CHSeifert Wrote:
(05-28-2016, 06:21 AM)Hobbyist Wrote:
(05-28-2016, 06:12 AM)CHSeifert Wrote: Simpsons finest and best quality badger hair - the 3-Band badger hair is always called Super 3-Band.
This hair type is the finest and best quality Simpson sell officially.
The Simpson Super 3-Band knots are the most densely packed in the Simpson line.
It's also the most expensive brush in their official line.
If this aren't eqaul to Silvertip 3-band, then what is ?

In the Simpson Limited Edition shop, not the official shops, Manchurian 2-band is the most expensive hair type followed by 2-Band Silvertip. The first bacthes of Silvertip 2-Band from Simpson were actually called Super 2-Band, because they all came in the handles, that also were used for the 3-Band Super hair knots. Some even also came in the Best handles, when Simpson ran out of handles - but at first they were called Super 2-Band. Then Simpson put the name Silvertip on the 2-Band brushes, and now it's officially the only unofficial Simpson carrying the name Silvertip.

I guarantee you, that Simpson 3-Band Super comes from the same place as Silvertip badher hair comes from !

I was also confused like you are, when I first tried to get information about badger hair types back in 2012 and asked the same questions.

There are no official rules for naming badger hair type.

Just to cofuse you.....
Silvertip 3-band hair is not always softer in feel, than 2-band Super hair. Some 2-Band Super has softer tips, but more backbone than Silvertip 3-band. But that has to do with the bager hair used, knot size, knot shape and loft of the knot - all in combination.

Doesn't silvertip hair have to be from the neck to be considered silvertip? If that's the case, as I have read everywhere I have checked, then Simpson Super has to be from the neck or else it isn't Silvertip after all. Am I correct here? If not, I am really confused because that is what everything I have read says. But often Super isn't even considered a badger hair grade from what I've read, only pure, best, finest, and silvertip. I assume Manchurian would have the same classes depending on which part of the body the hair comes from but I have never seen it said that way. I'm learning but still confused due to marketing.

Please show me a link to where ou have read that Super isn't a badger hair type ?

I have been on all forums, bought 100's of high end badger brushes, spoken with a lot of manufacturers, and have never heard - sorry, but have to say such rubbish.

Whterher or not Simpson Super hair is from the neack or the back of th badger really does not mean a thing, once you have tyested and owned a various range of high end badger hair brushes.

I own a Chubby 2 Best hair limited edition (only made in 25 copies) brush from Simpson that has arguably the softest badger hair I have ever owned - this Best hair 3-band should accordingly have badger hair from the belly of the badger. Well let me tell you, that among the 150+ HIGH end badger brushes I have owned, all with a price tag from $125-$600, this Chubby 2 Best hair 3-band badger is among the softest in feel and most dense badger hair brushes I have owned, which is why I kept that and sold a good deal of the others. It is softer than the 2 Super 3-band brushes I have owned in the same model from Simpson. It's not softer than my Thäters, but Thäters are the softest badgers you can get. Thäters in some models do lack backbone, which is why some don't always love them. You need to find the right model, that fits you to really enjoy a Thäter IMHO

You can't - I repeat - you can't try to determine what hair type the manufacturers use, by reading about what type of badger the different hair are taken from, when the manufacturers don't give a hoot about these definitions.

Let's just forget I bought it up. I prefer synthetics anyway. My Thater and Envy White are the last two badgers I will ever by most likely.
#9

Member
Greenville, SC USA
Though reluctant to divulge the OCD, SOB, Alpha Hotel aspect of me, doesn't this thread belong on the "Brushes" forum?

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#10

Super Moderator
San Diego, Cal., USA
(05-28-2016, 12:09 PM)beamon Wrote: Though reluctant to divulge the OCD, SOB, Alpha Hotel aspect of me, doesn't this thread belong on the "Brushes" forum?

I agree, beamon.  It is now in the Brush forum.

By the way, I think this is an excellent thread and have to say that my biggest frustration with badger is the lack of international standards and the fact that manufacturers can call their various badger types anything they want. Sad

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