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Seattle, WA
Imagine our acquisition disorders THEN.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-0...18879393=1

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John
#2
Add 3D printed organs and some of us may outlive our current supply of soap and razor blades

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#3
Now, if I had enough assets/income to last "forever."  Umm --- no.

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You know when you have people over for a dinner party and everyone is having a good time?  Then people start leaving to go home because they have to work the next day or something but there’s always that one couple/person who just won’t leave. You don’t want to be rude but you also have a bed to get to and commitments the next day.  The straggling guest has overstayed their welcome. That’s a life lesson. Life is like that dinner party. Enjoyable throughout the various stages and courses but reasonably obvious when it’s time to go. It’s rude to overstay your welcome and it’s better for everyone if we all follow the generally accepted pattern and move on when we should.  Live to 100?  No thanks.

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Merchant
Central Maine
(This post was last modified: 09-09-2019, 03:16 PM by ShadowsDad.)
I agree Marko, folks need to know when to "go home". This life isn't intended to be all that there is. It's just given to us so that we can make a choice. We have a friend whose mom is almost 90. She states that "Getting old isn't for sissies!". As I grow older I'm discovering just how true those words are. 102.5 years? No thanks.

Having written that and aside from that, the study group was only 9 people so it wasn't what I would call a real study.

For years the cardiac community has been told by their Drs to shy away from dietary cholesterol and sat' fats. The folks who have room temp' IQs got hold of that data, latched onto it and all fats became poison almost overnight here in the US and maybe globally. OK, not all fats are the same, #1 but overnight all fats became the same to those folks. And when one looks at how the study was done it was pure fraud. The person conducting it chose for one group vegetarians who exercised, didn't drink, got a good nights sleep, and didn't eat many fats, yada, yada. The other test group was their antithesis and they did everything wrong. Care to guess which test group lived longer? The result was the study about fats that everyone repeated and most folks still adhere to to this day. Real double blind studies done today show no correlation between dietary fats and serum cholesterol. Why do I write that? The 9 people chosen for the study and how was the study done? It's an awfully small group size for a real study. What I'm writing is that the findings are premature at best. But the talking heads are doing what they do best and that is to promulgate something probably only intended to promote a real study by the medical community. But since when has that stopped the talking heads from sensationalizing a story?

It was far too soon for the media to report this on the air, which is where I first learned of it. Most of what I see reported I immediately discount. One needs to be discerning since the media hasn't been for decades and it's assumed huge proportions in the last decade.

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You're wise to be skeptical ShadowsDad  - that "study" also had no control group.  Its not really even a study or science.  The mainstream media loves a good sound bite  or headline.  It sells newspaper or bits or whatever the heck they sell now but truth and accuracy has very little to do with it.  I recommend www.sciencebasedmedicine.org They spend a fair amount of time debunking fake/junk science.  I also came across this a while ago. 

https://news.colgate.edu/magazine/2019/0...-man-kwok/

Apparently the whole MSG allergy thing was a hoax started when two doctors made a wager - the one doctor was ribbing the other doctor for being an orthopaedic surgeon (apparently  considered meatheads in the doctor community) and bet him that he couldn't get anything published in a reputable medical journal.  The other doctor took him up on the wager and fabricated the Chinese Restaurant Syndrome - the mainstream media got hold of it and its had wings ever since - 50 years now.

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(This post was last modified: 09-12-2019, 09:47 PM by Tbone.)
(09-09-2019, 03:12 PM)ShadowsDad Wrote: The person conducting it chose for one group vegetarians who exercised, didn't drink, got a good nights sleep, and didn't eat many fats, yada, yada. The other test group was their antithesis and they did everything wrong. Care to guess which test group lived longer? The result was the study about fats that everyone repeated and most folks still adhere to to this day. Real double blind studies done today show no correlation between dietary fats and serum cholesterol.
You make a good point.  Many people believe whatever they hear on TV without questioning it.  They also believe "expert" studies without looking into how the study was done.  With near universal Internet access starting around 20 years ago, the problem became that much worse.  People can write whatever they want on their websites, accurate, inaccurate, or simply made up.  For example:

  • Margarine is better for you than butter.  This was debunked, and it turns out that butter is healthier than margarine.
  • Eggs are bad for you because they contain cholesterol.  That was believed for many years until it was recently proved false.
  • Electric fields from power lines cause cancer.  I remember seeing this way back when on 60 Minutes.  More recent studies have found that the data from the original study was misinterpreted, and that there is no relationship between the power lines and cancer.  An offshoot of this is the assumption that cell phone towers cause cancer.
  • Vaccines contain mercury compound as a preservative, and this, in turn, causes various maladies.  The original "study" was actually a scam in which some lawyers paid a doctor to produce a fake study, which they then used as evidence in lawsuits.  The whole enterprise was intended to make the group rich by convincing people to sue vaccine manufacturers.  This led to the anti-vaccine movement, which has done a great deal of harm to the general public.  For example, Lymerix, a vaccine for Lyme disease, was pulled from the market over fears of lawsuits.  It is only now, nearly 20 years later, that two new Lyme disease vaccines are being developed.  The scam study was exposed when its findings could not be replicated.
Fats are not necessarily bad.  I remember reading a trio of studies when I was in college.  The first concerned Swiss farmers.  They ate a diet high in red meat, cheese, and dietary fat in general, yet were remarkably healthy and long lived.  It turned out that they also did hard manual labor on an almost continuous basis.  The second study was with Irish brothers, in which one brother remained in Ireland and the other brother emigrated to the U.S.  The brothers in America had access to better food and healthcare, yet the brothers in Ireland were healthier.  It turned out that the brothers in Ireland, on the whole, engaged in more hard manual labor than their U.S. siblings.  I forget the third study, but it was along the same lines and came to the same conclusions - exercise is as important as diet in maintaining health.

Environment is also important.  Forests have been found by numerous studies to be beneficial, as described in this videoThis article echoes those findings.  Based on my own experience, they are correct.

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Merchant
Central Maine
(This post was last modified: 09-13-2019, 04:35 AM by ShadowsDad.)
I'm surrounded by forest and I don't think I could live elsewhere anymore. We go into town just for appt's and shopping, and that only when we must. The last time I went to where I was born and raised (suburban) I was there 24 hours and leaving after that wasn't soon enough. When I got within 2 hours of where I live now I started to smell the pines and it was almost like a drug. The air is just different, and yes, it can be smelled.

Anyone interested in learning about just how corrupt the suggestions are for food and health, the book Food: WTF Should I Eat by Dr. Mark Hyman is THE book on the subject that we've found. It was suggested to me by my brother, who, like me has heart disease and after coming across so much conflicting information on what to eat, found the book. It lays bare all of the ugliness of fake testing, no testing at all just assumptions, bald faced lies, and recommendations based on politics alone. With all that's stacked against us in knowing what to eat, this book is a breath of fresh air. The food pyramid? Totally political and not based on health data at all.

FWIW, I've been following the books suggestions as best I can and I'll know more in a month when I have blood work done. Not per the book (but based on it's suggestions), I'm doing a Keto diet, well, sort of at this point, but I want to lose weight so for eating fat I eat some but not enough to maintain weight. I want my body to use what is stored. So I'm eating meat, lots of veggies, and some fat(s) and I'm losing weight. I was stalled in weight loss for quite some time but no more. 35 more pounds to lose. So far I'm loving being in ketosis and I can see it as a lifelong diet. But wow! Do I ever miss bread! I didn't get to be a great baker by not loving bread. Maybe after my weight goal (150-160#) I might come out of ketosis for awhile before going back onto it. One thing I don't miss about eating carbs for fuel is the hunger when the carbs run low. I don't get that at all with keto. I could probably go all day w/o eating, not be hungry, and have plenty of energy. I don't plan on trying it.

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Brian. Lover of SE razors. Maker of Krampert's Finest Products.
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(09-13-2019, 04:34 AM)ShadowsDad Wrote: I'm surrounded by forest and I don't think I could live elsewhere anymore. We go into town just for appt's and shopping, and that only when we must. The last time I went to where I was born and raised (suburban) I was there 24 hours and leaving after that wasn't soon enough. When I got within 2 hours of where I live now I started to smell the pines and it was almost like a drug. The air is just different, and yes, it can be smelled.
That's for sure! I grew up out in the sticks, about one-quarter mile from where the redwood forest started. Redwoods have a very unique fresh, clean smell. So did some of the fields that had tarweed. It has its own very unique, pungent smell. Us kids didn't realize how lucky we were to have a forest for a playground, and also having parents that didn't helicopter over us. We all were allowed to run free and do what we wanted, provided we got our homework done and were back home by 6 pm for dinner.

I live in concrete and asphalt land now, but those same areas and many others are still just a 15 minute drive away. I often go hiking there on the weekends. The only problem now is that crowds from the city have discovered some of those rural places and they are starting to get really crowded. There are still places they have not discovered, though.


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