"Shadiness"

I thought I was mistaken once...as it turns out I was wrong.

In my experience anyone who feels they have to tell you:
- they are a gentleman, isn't.
-they are an honest man, isn't.
-to trust them, don't.
-to don't get them started, is already well on their way.

Interesting post, grim.

Language is an evolving thing. While the original meaning of gentleman did apply to the landed gentry, or those to the manor born, it has evolved to mean a man of good manners, perhaps one who has learned those manners from mimicking those of the 'upper class'.

Semantics. I believe you know exactly what I am talking about.

I know exactly what it means. I'm not so sure their intentions are the same. It comes across as "snitty" as "I'm a gentleman - act like one". That's condescending. I believe its used as a mean to create virtual bonding. The real test is real life. You can have manners and be polite. That's not the issue.

There is also the inference that anyone that does not traditional wet shave is a heathen or "not a gentleman". Its unsaid by the undertones are there and fits perfectly with the original concept of "gentleman". Maybe I read too much into it, maybe not.

As to the OP. Meh. Open market. Buy low, sell high. This is real life. Its not some Gentleman's Club sitting around smoking cigars and keeping the ladies out.

This hobby of ours sure does drown itself in melodrama...

Do/Don't do whatever makes you happy and move on...

This hobby of ours sure does drown itself in melodrama...

Do/Don't do whatever makes you happy and move on...

indeed!

I just remind myself that there's much better things to do with my time than complain about soaps or aftershaves or razors...

Actually, I kind of like all the effete snobbery associated with "wet shaving," "gentlemen" and other sanctimonious symbols of narcissism. It makes for some great comedic diversion.

Interesting post, grim.

Language is an evolving thing. While the original meaning of gentleman did apply to the landed gentry, or those to the manor born, it has evolved to mean a man of good manners, perhaps one who has learned those manners from mimicking those of the 'upper class'.  

Semantics. I believe you know exactly what I am talking about.

I know exactly what it means. I'm not so sure their intentions are the same. It comes across as "snitty" as "I'm a gentleman - act like one". That's condescending. I believe its used as a mean to create virtual bonding. The real test is real life. You can have manners and be polite. That's not the issue.

There is also the inference that anyone that does not traditional wet shave is a heathen or "not a gentleman". Its unsaid by the undertones are there and fits perfectly with the original concept of "gentleman". Maybe I read too much into it, maybe not.

As to the OP. Meh. Open market. Buy low, sell high. This is real life. Its not some Gentleman's Club sitting around smoking cigars and keeping the ladies out.

I guess I will have to be satisfied with our differing opinions. You did read too much into my post, vis-a-vis "snitty". I am sorry that you misread my intentions.

I use "gentleman" and "gentlemanly" around here to describe those character traits that I find admirable and which I try to portray, myself. Little things like respect, manners, grammar, and intelligence. I know what it means historically, and I know what it has come to mean in modern vernacular, and to me, I use it to describe a combination of the two...

I also agree that the word gets tossed around much like yesterday's newspaper, by a far too many that have neither the traits nor the concept of "gentlemanly" inherent in their own characters, and it is these folks that leave a bad taste in my mouth, primarily because they use the word to isolate themselves and hold themselves superior to others, while actually displaying traits that are the exact opposite of "gentlemanly"...

As for the OP and the topic at hand, I've made my position quite clear, I think, but finding out that the OP has himself committed the exact same crimes to the exact same degree as that which he is complaining of just makes me chuckle at the inherent pettiness spewing forth from the original post...

If there's a lesson here, it's make sure you cover your own internet tracks before making accusations.. As the op found out, you really can't hide.

I guess I will have to be satisfied with our differing opinions. You did read too much into my post, vis-a-vis "snitty". I am sorry that you misread my intentions.  

Sorry, I wasn't really talking about you but the overuse of the word "elsewhere" and what seems to be the adaption of the word by the community at large.

Interesting read. Looks like we all have personal interps about what the forum means to each of us. To some it's a "place" to share enthusiasm and help out one another with tips techniques opinions etc- brotherly/sisterly (ergo what I think most here mean when they've used the G word maybe) sentiment...and to others its a swap and shop. All good imo. Different views keeps it interesting.

Btw I ref'd sources to make sure I hadn't bent my understanding of the Word gentleman. "A chivalrous, courteous or honorable man" is what I found. I suspect Primo had this definition in mind. In modern parlance, the term gentleman (from Latin gentis, belonging to a race or gens, and man, the Italian gentil uomo or gentiluomo, the French gentilhomme, the Spanish gentilhombre, the Portuguese homem gentil, and the Esperanto gentilmano) refers to any man of good, courteous conduct.
Interestingly... "In its original meaning, the term denoted a man of the lowest rank of the English gentry, standing below an esquire and above a yeoman". Kind of humble rather than snobby. Funny how words evoke emotions and feelings in us all.