#211

novacula regem
Greece
(This post was last modified: 01-23-2021, 03:16 PM by Stephanos1920.)
Anything made of approximately
100 grams of stainless steel and has a retail
price more than $100 -$150 is definitely
overpriced.As a machinist, I ‘m pretty much
aware of the price per kg of various grades of
ss and the total cost of CNC machining
(programming ,electric energy spent ,cutting tools wear,cooling fluid ,etc ) .

A maximum retail price of $150 per DE razor is adequate enough to pay for the fabrication costs ,while allowing for 
making quite a profit.

Just my 2c ...

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#212

Doctor Strange of Wetshaving
Forio d'Ischia, Naples, Italy
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#213

expert shaver
Panther's Stanley Cup Champs
(01-23-2021, 02:30 PM)Whisk-her Away Wrote:
(01-23-2021, 01:41 PM)slantman Wrote: Great two pass shave with minor touch up using a Tatara platinum blade and of course the Lupo .95  The blade feel as expected very noticeable but smooth and close. The DLC stainless steel handle has an exceptional grip. The whole experience was wonderful. You can't beat this razor cost wise. An extreme bargain in today's overpriced stainless steel and titanium razors.
I’m curious which SS and Ti razors you feel are overpriced?

All of them. These are the ones I had.
Wolfman SS
Timeless SS and Ti
Blackbird SS and Ti
Carbon Shaving Ti
There are others that I will not mention because I didn't own one.

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#214

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(This post was last modified: 01-23-2021, 04:14 PM by Marko.)
(01-23-2021, 03:15 PM)Stephanos1920 Wrote: Anything made of approximately
100 grams of stainless steel and has a retail
price more than $100 -$150 is definitely
overpriced.As a machinist, I ‘m pretty much
aware of the price per kg of various grades of
ss and the total cost of CNC machining
(programming ,electric energy spent ,cutting tools wear,cooling fluid ,etc ) .

A maximum retail price of $150 per DE razor is adequate enough to pay for the fabrication costs ,while allowing for 
making quite a profit.

Just my 2c ...

Thanks for your expert opinion. Can you shine some light on the discussion about the placement of the blade registration posts? Is there any machining advantage to placing them on the baseplate as opposed to placing them on the top cap or is it just a design choice based on aesthetics?

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#215

novacula regem
Greece
(This post was last modified: 01-23-2021, 07:52 PM by Stephanos1920.)
There are quite a few things that RR does
to keep the fabrication costs of their SS De razors as low as possible .

Short cap screw : The caps are machined
from either a thick bar/plate or rod.
The longer the cap screw ,the more height
or diameter the bar/plate or rod must have,
respectively.Thus ,the more material has to be
removed ,in order for the screw to be formed.
More wasted material,more tool wear ,more time and energy spent for just few mm of
screw length more .
Since ,the highest stress on a bolt-nut of type 1 joint *(like the usual cap-handle joint of a DE razor )
is located at the threads that engage first ,
making a longer cap screw has no practical
advantage ,but can raise the retail price of the
razor considerably.Clever thinking and
designing from RR,have to admit !

Blade registration posts :The more complicated their design means more time
and energy spent for machining them.
Placing them on the base plate might save
some machining time ,as less tool changes
(thus less programming ,also) are required .

Slim head design: A thin base plate needs
less first material ( low thickness bar or plate = more baseplates can be made for the same weight of first material .Less waste of material ,also) .A thin baseplate needs a thin cap also ! Again ,less waste ,more items
made for the weight of first material .

RR approaches the whole “stainless steel DE razor” thing in a very unique manner.With clever thinking and designing have managed
to offer really high quality razors at very
attractive and affordable prices,while they
are making a profit also .
They opt for the masses.

Me thinks that this is how wet shaving is promoted from the truly professionals and passionate lovers of the art.
By giving the ability to almost everyone to
own a high quality ,finely made from 316L
ss DE razor.

*
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Type 1 bolt-nut joint : The threads of the 
screw are under tension ,while the threads
of the nut are compressed.
Regarding DE razors :
The cap screw is the bolt ,while the handle 
is the nut.When fully tightened the threads of the cap screw are “pulled” by the handle ,as the rest of the cap is
forced against the top of the baseplate,
while the threads of the handle are 
compressed as the top part of handle is forced against the bottom of the baseplate.In this type of joint the highest 
stress is located at the very first few threads of the handle ,while at the cap screw the threads that are mostly stressed ( aka “doing most of the job “ holdind the jointed razor parts together ) ,
are to be located close to the base of the cap screw ,near the cap ).
Thus,a longer cap screw has no real advantage over a shorter one.

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(01-23-2021, 06:59 PM)Stephanos1920 Wrote: There are quite a few things that RR does
to keep the fabrication costs of their SS De razors as low as possible .

Short cap screw : The caps are machined
from either a thick bar/plate or rod.
The longer the cap screw ,the more height
or diameter the bar/plate or rod must have,
respectively.Thus ,the more material has to be
removed ,in order for the screw to be formed.
More wasted material,more tool wear ,more time and energy spent for just few mm of
screw length more .
Since ,the highest stress on a bolt-nut of type 1 joint *(like the usual cap-handle joint of a DE razor )
is located at the threads that engage first ,
making a longer cap screw has no practical
advantage ,but can raise the retail price of the
razor considerably.Clever thinking and
designing from RR,have to admit !

Blade registration posts :The more complicated their design means more time
and energy spent for machining them.
Placing them on the base plate might save
some machining time ,as less tool changes
(thus less programming ,also) are required .

Slim head design: A thin base plate needs
less first material ( low thickness bar or plate = more baseplates can be made for the same weight of first material .Less waste of material ,also) .A thin baseplate needs a thin cap also ! Again ,less waste ,more items
made for the weight of first material .

RR approaches the whole “stainless steel DE razor” thing in a very unique manner.With clever thinking and designing have managed
to offer really high quality razors at very
attractive and affordable prices,while they
are making a profit also .
They opt for the masses.

Me thinks that this is how wet shaving is promoted from the truly professionals and passionate lovers of the art.
By giving the ability to almost everyone to
own a high quality ,finely made from 316L
ss DE razor.

*
https://www.google.gr/amp/s/slideplayer....p/5728847/

Type 1 bolt-nut joint : The threads of the 
screw are under tension ,while the threads
of the nut are compressed.
Regarding DE razors :
The cap screw is the bolt ,while the handle 
is the nut.When fully tightened the threads of the cap screw are “pulled” by the handle ,as the rest of the cap is
forced against the top of the baseplate,
while the threads of the handle are 
compressed as the top part of handle is forced against the bottom of the baseplate.In this type of joint the highest 
stress is located at the very first few threads of the handle ,while at the cap screw the threads that are mostly stressed ( aka “doing most of the job “ holdind the jointed razor parts together ) ,
are to be located close to the base of the cap screw ,near the cap ).
Thus,a longer cap screw has no real advantage over a shorter one.

Fascinating insights. Thank you. 

What kind of machining do you do? Do you make razors as well? If so, would be interested to learn more.

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#217

novacula regem
Greece
(This post was last modified: 01-23-2021, 09:04 PM by Stephanos1920.)
No,never machined a razor.
Can’t actually .
Not allowed to .

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#218

Posting Freak
Thanks for taking the time to educate us all Stephanos1920   Happy2

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#219
(01-23-2021, 09:02 PM)Stephanos1920 Wrote: No,never machined a razor.
Can’t actually .
Not allowed to .

Oh, you must work for Gillette!!     Wink   


It's readily apparent some people are willing to spend boatloads of cash on exorbitant razors not really as any means to get a better shave, but either out of snobbery or compulsive buying habits.

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#220
I finally shaved with a Lupo SS .72 and yes, it is a very well made (machined) razor. Obviously, it has .4mm more exposure than a GC SB .68 and shaves as such. Just a split in twain frog hair more closely than a Gillette Tech. For me the resultant shave was almost exactly like that imparted by a Lord L6 Tech clone. 


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