#101

Merchant
Santa Rosa - CA
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(03-07-2018, 01:45 AM)Vinny Champion Wrote: Excellent first take. Given the sideways snapping of the head on to the blade (which looks pretty cool and unique) I would hate to think what would happen if you slipped and slid your hand over the blade sideways like that


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You gotta be careful, I say that to all my friends who try to use my 280mm Japanese chef knives Smile

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#102
Sounds great can't wait till it is released

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#103

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New York City
(03-07-2018, 01:45 AM)Vinny Champion Wrote: Excellent first take. Given the sideways snapping of the head on to the blade (which looks pretty cool and unique) I would hate to think what would happen if you slipped and slid your hand over the blade sideways like that


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It would be very difficult to do. No reason for thumb or fingers to be anywhere near the blade when sliding the top cap, and it slides easily. Anytime you fool with something sharp there's some risk, but no worse here. I specifically designed it to be safe when changing blades.

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#104

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USA
(03-07-2018, 02:26 AM)Paradigm Shaveware Wrote:
(03-07-2018, 01:45 AM)Vinny Champion Wrote: Excellent first take. Given the sideways snapping of the head on to the blade (which looks pretty cool and unique) I would hate to think what would happen if you slipped and slid your hand over the blade sideways like that


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It would be very difficult to do. No reason for thumb or fingers to be anywhere near the blade when sliding the top cap, and it slides easily. Anytime you fool with something sharp there's some risk, but no worse here. I specifically designed it to be safe when changing blades.


Very reassuring. Especially for us clumsy folks. Thanks Andy!


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#105

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New York City
(03-07-2018, 01:33 AM)GroomingDept Wrote: For various reasons, I’m not going to mention names of other DE/SE razors during the various comparisons which I’ll do over the coming weeks. But the benchmark for me is my Paradigm 17-4 razor.

This SE razor has an elegant industrial feel, it feels solid, nothing rattles or loose, the cap slide firmly in place. Please take a look at the two video I’ve already posted. This is a prototype, made of aluminum, the finished razor is Titanium Grade 5, the small bits are 316 SS.

The blade feel reminds me of a straight razor between a 1/4 and /12 hollow. Blade feel is pronounced but it doesn’t feel like a DE blade or other SE razors. The blade feels exceedingly rigid, but somehow smooth. I usually know that I’m going to have irritation if a I get blade feel from DE razor.

It makes a clipping sound, but not as loud as the 17-4.

it has a wider shaving angle than other SE razors I have tried, this cutting window is also bigger than 17-4.

Buffing is not irritating at all and very little of it required. I have to do more buffing when using the 17-4.

The razor is easy to maneuver, the head can easily be maneuvered around the mustache area.

Smoothness and efficiency are on a different plane from the 17-4. It usually takes me 3 passes+touch-up to get a BBS, the SE got there in 2 passes. I was able to shave parts of my beard ATG on the first pass without irritation.

I talked to Andy about blade compatibility. Schick blades don’t fit in my prototype but they will fit in the production. The razor is not compatible with blades that have guards. Andy said he focused on optimizing the razor. I used Feather Pro, in 3 days I'll use a Kamisori blade

I consider the 17-4 a significant milestone. But this razor is extraordinary, it sheds a light on what is possible beyond existing SE razor designs. If you noticed, it didn’t take Andy that much time to design this razor. I think V2 of this razor will be hard thing to catch up to.

Many thanks to Mohammad for a generous and thoughtful review. I just wanted to make one comment on fitting blades. The razor is indeed optimized for standard .254mm thickness AC blades, so anything thicker won't work. The situation with Schick blades is that the cutouts are about a thou smaller than Kamisori and Feather. On this version of prototype, we made dimensional tolerances too tight, and Schick blades do not fit. There are other prototypes that they do fit, but this is the one with the final shave geometry, so that's what Mohammad got. As noted, Schick will fit the production version, along with Feather and Kamisori.

Also, we are going to add a few more scallops to the spine for enhanced grip. Although that video shows pretty clearly that the grip is already solid. :-)

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#106

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USA
Maybe this is getting to far ahead but will the SS version be a completely redesign? I remember you saying something about it would be to heavy if it wasn’t titanium.


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(03-07-2018, 01:33 AM)GroomingDept Wrote: For various reasons, I’m not going to mention names of other DE/SE razors during the various comparisons which I’ll do over the coming weeks. But the benchmark for me is my Paradigm 17-4 razor.

This SE razor has an elegant industrial feel, it feels solid, nothing rattles or loose, the cap slide firmly in place. Please take a look at the two video I’ve already posted. This is a prototype, made of aluminum, the finished razor is Titanium Grade 5, the small bits are 316 SS.

The blade feel reminds me of a straight razor between a 1/4 and /12 hollow. Blade feel is pronounced but it doesn’t feel like a DE blade or other SE razors. The blade feels exceedingly rigid, but somehow smooth. I usually know that I’m going to have irritation if a I get blade feel from DE razor.

It makes a clipping sound, but not as loud as the 17-4.

it has a wider shaving angle than other SE razors I have tried, this cutting window is also bigger than 17-4.

Buffing is not irritating at all and very little of it required. I have to do more buffing when using the 17-4.

The razor is easy to maneuver, the head can easily be maneuvered around the mustache area.

Smoothness and efficiency are on a different plane from the 17-4. It usually takes me 3 passes+touch-up to get a BBS, the SE got there in 2 passes. I was able to shave parts of my beard ATG on the first pass without irritation.

I talked to Andy about blade compatibility. Schick blades don’t fit in my prototype but they will fit in the production. The razor is not compatible with blades that have guards. Andy said he focused on optimizing the razor. I used Feather Pro, in 3 days I'll use a Kamisori blade

I consider the 17-4 a significant milestone. But this razor is extraordinary, it sheds a light on what is possible beyond existing SE razor designs. If you noticed, it didn’t take Andy that much time to design this razor. I think V2 of this razor will be hard thing to catch up to.


Excellent first take on a soon to be legendary razor. Cannot wait for this one. I had some of the same excitement when the Asylum Rx was being developed. This one is on another level though because of the titanium. Should really be a game changer in the single edge realm!


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#108

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New York City
(03-07-2018, 02:48 AM)Vinny Champion Wrote: Maybe this is getting to far ahead  but will the SS version be a completely redesign? I remember you saying something about it would be to heavy if it wasn’t titanium.


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I haven't a clue what a stainless version would look like. This design would definitely be too heavy in stainless.

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(03-07-2018, 03:12 AM)Paradigm Shaveware Wrote:
(03-07-2018, 02:48 AM)Vinny Champion Wrote: Maybe this is getting to far ahead  but will the SS version be a completely redesign? I remember you saying something about it would be to heavy if it wasn’t titanium.


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I haven't a clue what a stainless version would look like. This design would definitely be too heavy in stainless.
Now that it seems like the Prototype is good to go you have any update when the initial razor will be available for sale

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#110

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Canada
(This post was last modified: 03-07-2018, 06:07 AM by celestino.)
Andy, any consideration on offering these in aluminium? I think many of us would be grateful as it would keep the cost down and be quite affordable.
The prototype looks fantastic. Happy2

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