#21

Posting Freak
Peachtree City, GA
(This post was last modified: 02-06-2020, 09:07 PM by DanLaw.)
Receiving enquiries from those unfamiliar with my predispositions, previous passarounds and policies so shall address them in one post out of respect for other posters to this thread and, especially, Shavesymptomatic.  Updates will be edited into this post to maintain a minimal profile as appropriate for a guest.

Personality and predispositions:
Simple country poor here: informal, uneducated and without formalities.  Some may be unintentionally offended by my failure to communicate eloquently and clearly for which I apologize in advance.  It takes some provocation to raise my ire; we all would prefer it to rise to the level of righteous indignation and am no exception to the self deception of mankind.  One hard line possessed though is taking advantage of others - in this case the company offering the product and fellow fora members awaiting their turn to trial the product.  Specifically, well and truly would expect trialers to give a true, fair, accurate AND kind assessment of the product.  Using this passaround as a platform to disparage the manufacturer - typically a small businessman placing their time, talent and fortune on the line - is not just churlish, illadvised, boorish and bad form but hurts us all by creating a chilling effect on all future entrepreneurs.  It should not bear mention but being of the country shall state it plainly: Read what you write before posting and reflect would you want this stated publicly of you under the circumstance.  Similarly, be kind to each other, there have been some less than admirable exchanges amongst us lately which are inexcusable whether shaving or political - we can debate things civilly and, damn it, expect this as table stakes to being human.

Previous Passarounds:
Have been advised prior to ever conducting a passaround that there needed be safeguards to prevent trialers simply absconding with product.  Some suggested onerous tenure and posting requirements, recommendations, prior passaround experience, credit card detail submissions, geographical restrictions, deposits&c&c&c.  Possessing a weakness for egalite et fraternite, desire everybody have access to the fruits of these fora and life in general.  But opportunity comes with responsibility; please let us commit to NOT being the example of why heavy restrictions are necessary for future passarounds - reasonably trial, assess, post to the next person in line and follow thru with an assessment others would want to read whilst conveying information adding benefit to those undecided regarding purchase.  IF there are extenuating circumstances arising - life IS full of contingencies after all - please proactively reach out; I am your advocate, not your enemy.  Hitherto, the passarounds have gone swimmingly; let us resolve to make this one even better!

Policies:
There is a lot of information required aforefront, this is as much for your benefit as our protection.  We need to know where the razor is at any given time and that the people slotted for receipt are serious about abiding by the rules established.  Under NO circumstances is the information shared with ANYBODY - not even the manufacturer.  We ask that the razor be shipped USPS priority and insured for above MSRP to assure that if lost or damaged, that it can be verified perfidy was not the cause and we can go back to the manufacturer, money in hand, to purchase another to continue the passaround.  It is the strongest wish the insurance will never need be collected but it is a backstop just in case and incentive for all to conduct their affairs with integrity (were the claim made, excess would be donated to charitable cause).  Finally we require trialers to post in 2 popular fora (DamnFineShave and TheShaveNook) that operate under reasonable criteria so as to maximize the exposure for the manufacturer and benefit the widest shaving audience.  The reviews will be compiled in what are hoped to be unique standalone mirror threads in the two fora initiated to solely cover the passaround reviews for posterity and ease of access.

Hopefully this answers some of the enquiries received and dissonance amongst those considering joining the passaround.  Pardon my inelegant use of the language and feel free to request clarifications which shall be addressed in edits to this post (members know full well how often authored posts are edited reflecting the lack of expository writing skill).

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#22

Posting Freak
Peachtree City, GA
Folk,

did not mean to shut down the discussion on this thread; it was meant to announce the passaround within the context of the thread targeted to those most interested. Apologies if my post caused the discussion to cease. Please continue.

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#23

It's sharp and it cuts. I like it...
Northeast, USA
Looking forward to this one. That 17-4 alloy razor should be a very smooth operator, more so than just your standard 304 or 316 SS alloy variants. Plus, it's a bit more corrosion resistant and magnetic. The Ti version when available should be the best on the skin but, the 17-4 should be close behind it in terms of face feel during a shave......

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#24
Yeah, the Ti is the one I have interest in. I think I misunderstood the planned timeline. Ti (if it indeed comes) likely not until the Fall at the earliest. I'm also all about choice, but I'm not sure about making both 17-4 & Ti versions as a new'ish company. Product lineup complexity, methinks. YMMV though, and I respect that.
#25
(02-10-2020, 09:33 PM)GlazedBoker Wrote: Looking forward to this one. That 17-4 alloy razor should be a very smooth operator, more so than just your standard 304 or 316 SS alloy variants. Plus, it's a bit more corrosion resistant and magnetic. The Ti version when available should be the best on the skin but, the 17-4 should be close behind it in terms of face feel during a shave......
Do tell...17-4 has less drag? I've not heard that before. I had the Paradigm 17-4 and didnt notice any difference compared to my polished Wolfies. Of course, I didn't go looking for it either. But i certainly will when the pass around gets here. Polish level has a lot to do with it too, I spose.

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#26

It's sharp and it cuts. I like it...
Northeast, USA
(02-11-2020, 03:18 AM)LOOT Wrote:
(02-10-2020, 09:33 PM)GlazedBoker Wrote: Looking forward to this one. That 17-4 alloy razor should be a very smooth operator, more so than just your standard 304 or 316 SS alloy variants. Plus, it's a bit more corrosion resistant and magnetic. The Ti version when available should be the best on the skin but, the 17-4 should be close behind it in terms of face feel during a shave......
Do tell...17-4 has less drag? I've not heard that before. I had the Paradigm 17-4 and didnt notice any difference compared to my polished Wolfies. Of course, I didn't go looking for it either. But i certainly will when the pass around gets here. Polish level has a lot to do with it too, I spose.

Has to do with the 17-4 (630 series) alloy content. Has more carbon with copper added for malleability and increased corrosion resistance. 17-4 machines almost as difficult as high grade Ti. Why? Heat, the killer of all precision cut tooling. Fluting and composition of the cutting tool (Carbide tip, HSS, Mercurized etc..) is a very important factor when cutting then finishing the product as is keeping temperatures in check with constant coolant feed or submersion. To make a long story short as I can go on for weeks with this, depending on the machine (multiple axis, edm, trunnion, etc,), tooling and experience of the operator the finished product can be nearly as skin safe and smooth as a well made Titanium based razor.

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#27
I am really looking forward to the Ti release, every Ti razor I own has felt softer than its SS counterpart

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#28

It's sharp and it cuts. I like it...
Northeast, USA
(02-11-2020, 03:50 AM)Shavemd Wrote: I am really looking forward to the Ti release, every Ti razor I own has felt softer than its SS counterpart

And you are correct my friend. It’s the best metal in the industry as its biocompatibility on the human anatomy is superior to other metals. Besides allowing cell regeneration from implants that allows the human body to actually attach itself to Ti, the ions in the metal give an extremely passive interaction with the skin. It just works the best...

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#29
(This post was last modified: 02-11-2020, 09:07 AM by surfboat.)
(02-11-2020, 04:00 AM)GlazedBoker Wrote:
(02-11-2020, 03:50 AM)Shavemd Wrote: I am really looking forward to the Ti release, every Ti razor I own has felt softer than its SS counterpart

And you are correct my friend. It’s the best metal in the industry as its biocompatibility on the human anatomy is superior to other metals. Besides allowing cell regeneration from implants that allows the human body to actually attach itself to Ti, the ions in the metal give an extremely passive interaction with the skin. It just works the best...


sorry but it's a razor, not a medical implant. We're not looking for the functional integration of metal and tissue.

As for the 17-4, if it's going to cost more I'd say skip it. Yes it's supposed to take on a better polish, but the current models look pretty damn good and we don't really need the corrosion benefits. A 303, machined version at a lower price would be fine by me.
#30
(02-11-2020, 03:50 AM)GlazedBoker Wrote:
(02-11-2020, 03:18 AM)LOOT Wrote:
(02-10-2020, 09:33 PM)GlazedBoker Wrote: Looking forward to this one. That 17-4 alloy razor should be a very smooth operator, more so than just your standard 304 or 316 SS alloy variants. Plus, it's a bit more corrosion resistant and magnetic. The Ti version when available should be the best on the skin but, the 17-4 should be close behind it in terms of face feel during a shave......
Do tell...17-4 has less drag? I've not heard that before. I had the Paradigm 17-4 and didnt notice any difference compared to my polished Wolfies. Of course, I didn't go looking for it either. But i certainly will when the pass around gets here. Polish level has a lot to do with it too, I spose.

Has to do with the 17-4 (630 series) alloy content. Has more carbon with copper added for malleability and increased corrosion resistance. 17-4 machines almost as difficult as high grade Ti. Why? Heat, the killer of all precision cut tooling. Fluting and composition of the cutting tool (Carbide tip, HSS, Mercurized etc..) is a very important factor when cutting then finishing the product as is keeping temperatures in check with constant coolant feed or submersion. To make a long story short as I can go on for weeks with this, depending on the machine (multiple axis, edm, trunnion, etc,), tooling and experience of the operator the finished product can be nearly as skin safe and smooth as a well made Titanium based razor.
I'm guessing the  weight in a small DE razor isn't much difference when comparing 304,316 and
17-4 SS ?


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