Just a word of caution

Have one here although it in the racist Watson handle colouration

But we are now off topic...apologies....

This is all so interesting and informative. Had no idea that reknotted classic brushes had any value unless reknotted by the original manufacturer/artisan. The vintage marketplace is a different and unique world. 

Sympathies for your loss. Having undertaken some research into reknotting services, not aware of anybody willing to take responsibility for damages. Was there an agreement indemnifying damages?  If so, would love the contact information for future projects

I think you are talking about monetary value, not value per se. In this case it is clear that the owner of the brush valued it more with a replacement knot - after all, he paid to change the knot. If he was intending to use and enjoy the brush, not sell it, then he is surely right.

This is all so interesting and informative. Had no idea that reknotted classic brushes had any value unless reknotted by the original manufacturer/artisan. The vintage marketplace is a different and unique world. 

Sympathies for your loss. Having undertaken some research into reknotting services, not aware of anybody willing to take responsibility for damages. Was there an agreement indemnifying damages?  If so, would love the contact information for future projects

I think you are talking about monetary value, not value per se. In this case it is clear that the owner of the brush valued it more with a replacement knot - after all, he paid to change the knot. If he was intending to use and enjoy the brush, not sell it, then he is surely right.

Well and truly: am a leftest that deeply respects the distinction between use value vs exchange value.

If my statements marginalize that distinction, apologize to everybody. 

Based on the post language, was under the impression that the owner was so infuriated at having some of the lettering removed, which he felt rendered the brush useless, that it would be placed on a shelf to maintain his anger despite having received a free reknotting.  Some would interpret the lettering as having minimal impact on use value despite having a significant impact on exchange value. Irrespective, it not my concern nor affair.

Either way, am learning a lot about the vintage market which is interesting.  And would love the contact of any artisan willing to indemnify a handle during reknotting. Few offer the service, none am aware of will guarantee the handle will survive and make that abundantly clear aforefront.

This is all so interesting and informative. Had no idea that reknotted classic brushes had any value unless reknotted by the original manufacturer/artisan. The vintage marketplace is a different and unique world. 

Sympathies for your loss. Having undertaken some research into reknotting services, not aware of anybody willing to take responsibility for damages. Was there an agreement indemnifying damages?  If so, would love the contact information for future projects

You’re correct Dan, and you bring a very interesting point;  a vintage classic has zero value if it’s re-knotted by ANYONE other than the original Artisan, even if you destroy another brush of the same brand to extract the knot.  Sure, it might look great but it’s really not the same brush anymore now is it? 

I have a brush handle turned by Brett Mozingo, the knot in the handle is a Declaration knot, it’s a collaboration brush of the two Houses.  The only way I can make this brush 100% Mozingo is removal of that B5 and replaced with a Z series knot from Brett, set by Brett.  If the work isn’t done by Brett, in my eyes, it’s not a full Mozingo brush.

Personally, if I were John I would have let ALL the hair fall out and retire the brush because I know the only way to 100% restore that Rooney brush is if Lee Sabini does all the work.

Actually, I was not trying to restore the brush for its monetary value at all. I just loved the handle's appearance and feel and wanted to have a new knot in it so that I could use it regularly. But now I am just disgusted when I look at it. And I did reach out to Lee, via Brad Sears, to get one of his knots put into it, but he refused to help me.

Have also requested knotting services from Lee with same response.  Politely but firmly and irrevocably declining

One of the reasons I do not like to take on much re-knots anymore. Especially on such rare brushes.
Removing a knot from a handle is always a risky undertaking. Thank God, I had only a few instances where the handle
did get damaged. Problem is that one needs to drill the residual glue plug out after the hair is cut off. For his,
the handle must be held tight in a vice. To avoid damage, the outside of the handle needs to be protected;
I use special painters tape and then additional protection. Sometimes, the tape may remove some lettering.
There are some ways I use to protect the lettering.
This case, however, looks like the handle was buffed and with doing so, the printing was partially removed.
Out of principle, I do not buff any handle that:
has a printed on lettering
is an aged butterscotch color (buffing will remove or lighten this)

Lately I have only taken on re-knots from former customers who know there is a risk involved.
Another problem is that many amateurs use coins under the knot to shim to certain loft requirements.
This is bad, very bad. One who is doing the re-knot job never knows what was done to a brush before.
The big issue is when your large size forstner drill bits bites into metal....very bad...believe me, it has happened to me!

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Have one here although it in the racist Watson handle colouration

But we are now off topic...apologies....

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This is all so interesting and informative. Had no idea that reknotted classic brushes had any value unless reknotted by the original manufacturer/artisan. The vintage marketplace is a different and unique world. 

Sympathies for your loss. Having undertaken some research into reknotting services, not aware of anybody willing to take responsibility for damages. Was there an agreement indemnifying damages?  If so, would love the contact information for future projects

You’re correct Dan, and you bring a very interesting point;  a vintage classic has zero value if it’s re-knotted by ANYONE other than the original Artisan, even if you destroy another brush of the same brand to extract the knot.  Sure, it might look great but it’s really not the same brush anymore now is it? 

I have a brush handle turned by Brett Mozingo, the knot in the handle is a Declaration knot, it’s a collaboration brush of the two Houses.  The only way I can make this brush 100% Mozingo is removal of that B5 and replaced with a Z series knot from Brett, set by Brett.  If the work isn’t done by Brett, in my eyes, it’s not a full Mozingo brush.

Personally, if I were John I would have let ALL the hair fall out and retire the brush because I know the only way to 100% restore that Rooney brush is if Lee Sabini does all the work.

Actually, I was not trying to restore the brush for its monetary value at all. I just loved the handle's appearance and feel and wanted to have a new knot in it so that I could use it regularly. But now I am just disgusted when I look at it. And I did reach out to Lee, via Brad Sears, to get one of his knots put into it, but he refused to help me.

Agreed, you established that in your first paragraph; you love the brush, it has sentimental value, and you want to continue using it.  Anyone who knows you knows ROONEY is your brand of choice and the brush doesn’t have intrinsic value to you

Reaching out to Brad and Lee was the best option.  I figured they would decline as that really isn’t their business model. It doesn’t hurt to ask. 

I imagine you are disgusted.  I keep tabs on your Leopard Emillion, lol and I see your 3/3 Ebony in your brush images.  The logos had zero fade.   Furthermore, you don’t hold THAT handle anywhere near its logo.  If that were the case, that logo would have been gone a long time ago.

I’m sorry that happened.  Is that your only Ebony John?

You’re correct Dan, and you bring a very interesting point;  a vintage classic has zero value if it’s re-knotted by ANYONE other than the original Artisan, even if you destroy another brush of the same brand to extract the knot.  Sure, it might look great but it’s really not the same brush anymore now is it? 

I have a brush handle turned by Brett Mozingo, the knot in the handle is a Declaration knot, it’s a collaboration brush of the two Houses.  The only way I can make this brush 100% Mozingo is removal of that B5 and replaced with a Z series knot from Brett, set by Brett.  If the work isn’t done by Brett, in my eyes, it’s not a full Mozingo brush.

Personally, if I were John I would have let ALL the hair fall out and retire the brush because I know the only way to 100% restore that Rooney brush is if Lee Sabini does all the work.

Actually, I was not trying to restore the brush for its monetary value at all. I just loved the handle's appearance and feel and wanted to have a new knot in it so that I could use it regularly. But now I am just disgusted when I look at it. And I did reach out to Lee, via Brad Sears, to get one of his knots put into it, but he refused to help me.

Agreed, you established that in your first paragraph; you love the brush, it has sentimental value, and you want to continue using it.  Anyone who knows you knows ROONEY is your brand of choice and the brush doesn’t have intrinsic value to you

Reaching out to Brad and Lee was the best option.  I figured they would decline as that really isn’t their business model. It doesn’t hurt to ask. 

I imagine you are disgusted.  I keep tabs on your Leopard Emillion, lol and I see your 3/3 Ebony in your brush images.  The logos had zero fade.   Furthermore, you don’t hold THAT handle anywhere near its logo.  If that were the case, that logo would have been gone a long time ago.

I’m sorry that happened.  Is that your only Ebony John?

I have 4 other ebony Finests, but they are not 3/3 models. I used to have another 3/3 ebony, but I sold it because I thought, "Well, I have two of these, and I only need one."

Since he has been getting so much good press recently, I feel a need to balance the scales just a bit, and I feel justified in letting everyone know that it was Bob Quinn at Elite Razor who destroyed the lettering on my brush handle and then tried to deny responsibility for it.