Gillette to release NEW DE razor for the holidays

I strongly disagree that that was an educated guess. It was a failure of reading comprehension.

no i was able to comprehend everything that was said on their site i just look at things with a form of logic... If someone already makes stuff for me and im ok with what they make for me I would probably go to them if i want other stuff made for me...their is NO failure in that train of thought.

You’re still not getting it. Edwin Jagger doesn’t make stuff for Gillette. Nothing. That’s not what their website says. Your form of logic is fine iso long as the beginning premise is true, but it’s not, because you have misread and misunderstood what they are saying on the website. And you’re apparently not understanding what I’m saying either. There is no failure in your train of thought, there is a failure in your reading comprehension......still.

I went to read the actual link and I agree with Whisk-her Away .  What I see is EJ is licensed to make parts, ie handles with what I assume are Gillette's patent mechanism for attaching Mach 3 and Fusion blade cartridges to.  That makes sense  - I have a few of those handles from my early days of wet shaving when I was using brush/soap but had had bad luck with Merkur razors.  I used Mach 3 carts with nice non-Gillette handles.  We'll eventually ferret out the facts on Gillette's razor but for now there are still a list of likely candidates. The fact that nothing in that link says anything about the Gillete DE razor doesn't necessarily rule out EJ as the manufacturer, it just doesn't provide any information either way.

no i was able to comprehend everything that was said on their site i just look at things with a form of logic... If someone already makes stuff for me and im ok with what they make for me I would probably go to them if i want other stuff made for me...their is NO failure in that train of thought.

I went to read the actual link and I agree with Whisk-her Away .  What I see is EJ is licensed to make parts, ie handles with what I assume are Gillette's patent mechanism for attaching Mach 3 and Fusion blade cartridges to.  That makes sense  - I have a few of those handles from my early days of wet shaving when I was using brush/soap but had had bad luck with Merkur razors.  I used Mach 3 carts with nice non-Gillette handles.  We'll eventually ferret out the facts on Gillette's razor but for now there are still a list of likely candidates. The fact that nothing in that link says anything about the Gillete DE razor doesn't necessarily rule out EJ as the manufacturer, it just doesn't provide any information either way.

All I was saying was as you even said they do make parts..ie..handle so if they make those then maybe they are now making more. Tha link I put up was posted quite awhile before the heritage came out so they may Not have been doing that at the time but now they may. We don't know and may never know but like I said when I started this thread it wasn't out yet and we didn't know how the razor would be but now it is out so I'm moving on to other topics unless I hear back from those I have reached out to in the industry that would know and if I hear anything definitive I will come back here and update.. You guys have fun with this discussion.

All I was saying was as you even said they do make parts..ie..handle so if they make those then maybe they are now making more. 

I don’t know how to dumb it down any more. You said that EJ is authorized to make parts for Gillette. They, in fact, are NOT making parts - handles, heads, or otherwise - for Gillette. Just the opposite, actually. They are incorporating Gillette parts/systems into their own EJ-branded products. Either you can’t understand the difference, or you refuse to admit you were wrong. Either way is a little concerning. Good day.

I will ask you this one more time okay how about this.. I dont care. I said I was done. And you dont have to dumb down a thing because I dont care about who made the razor head. It is Not that big of a deal so drop it please. Either you like it or you don't.No one knows who made it for them and we are all guessing... Until either Gillette or whoever made it for them says something we wont know for sure.... im done with it like I have repeatedly said !!!!!!!!! Have a great Day......

Where did you see that? Source?

edwin jagger website..   heres a link to it.. so if i were to bet who make it i would assume its who is authorized by gillette to makes parts for gillette...

https://www.edwinjagger.com/shaving-prod...uine-parts

This is how bad information gets spread. 

It is widely known that Muhle made the head for the Gillette Heritage-Inspired DE razor.

Wildly known but yet no real proof by anybody....just speculation.....have Muhle confirmed this? Or Gillette for that matter?

Stamped numbers means nothing as Merkur has the same stamped. Numbers in their razors.

For all we know it could be an unknown Germany factory making copies of the EJ/Muhle heads.

But I too speculate it’s a 100% a Muhle head, but I have no proof.

Either it’s good value for the money and the razor is a sold shaver.

Would everyone been happy to see a Gillette stamp on a Muhle head? Would that calm most people and change their perceptions???

The whole razor package was paid for by Gillette. It’s a Gillette product.

Let’s have a Gillette logo on a Parker or Pearl razor and everyone will be happy that the super speeds are back.....(a bit of sarcasm there. )

Be happy that you all got Gillette’s attention to actually put out a quality product out. It’s still good value.....let’s see if Schick brings back their injector razor.

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edwin jagger website..   heres a link to it.. so if i were to bet who make it i would assume its who is authorized by gillette to makes parts for gillette...

https://www.edwinjagger.com/shaving-prod...uine-parts

This is how bad information gets spread. 

It is widely known that Muhle made the head for the Gillette Heritage-Inspired DE razor.

Wildly known but yet no real proof by anybody....just speculation.....have Muhle confirmed this? Or Gillette for that matter?

Stamped numbers means nothing as Merkur has the same stamped. Numbers in their razors.

For all we know it could be an unknown Germany factory making copies of the EJ/Muhle heads.

But I too speculate it’s a 100% a Muhle head, but I have no proof.

Either it’s good value for the money and the razor is a sold shaver.

Would everyone been happy to see a Gillette stamp on a Muhle head? Would that calm most people and change their perceptions???

The whole razor package was paid for by Gillette. It’s a Gillette product.

Let’s have a Gillette logo on a Parker or Pearl razor and everyone will be happy that the super speeds are back.....(a bit of sarcasm there. )

Be happy that you all got Gillette’s attention to actually put out a quality product out. It’s still good value.....let’s see if Schick brings back their injector razor.

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I agree with you. I started the thread to be nice and let people know it was coming out. Not for arguing. I for one am happy that the wet shaving community is being recognized !!!! Lets all be happy because maybe it will mean more will come in the future.... Who knows, right ??

I received my razor yesterday. Nice box. Seriously cheap handle. Looks a lot like an EJ head. I’m disappointed that the razor bears no Gillette mark if any kind. Only the box has the Gillette logo. So if the razor were ever separated from it’s box it would be just another cheap EJ/Muhle clone. EJ has much nicer handles.

And this surprises you?

I received my razor yesterday. Nice box. Seriously cheap handle. Looks a lot like an EJ head. I’m disappointed that the razor bears no Gillette mark if any kind. Only the box has the Gillette logo. So if the razor were ever separated from it’s box it would be just another cheap EJ/Muhle clone. EJ has much nicer handles.

Mark, my guess is this was a relatively inexpensive way for Gillette to test the waters of bringing back the DE razor in a bigger way.  We dedicated DE and SE wet shavers still make up a small portion of shavers in general, at least in North America, Europe, Australia, and New Zealand, I’m guessing.  The fact that our small dedicated group has an interest as wet shavers/collectors wouldn’t really be enough to put the kind of effort into this that they have.  My very first DE razor was a cheap Chinese Weishi and while I no longer use it, it did lead to the razors I have today, from 110+ year old lather catchers to a Rex Ambassador.

Again, I think, and it’s just a guess on my part, this is Gillette’s way of testing the waters without there being a humongous expense.

I suspect you're right Freddy , the cost of etching their name on the top cap for a run probably in the hundreds would have eroded what margin they might have.  The box is very nice though, not sure why it says "Trace" (its "trade", the other side id "mark" duh) on it but still a nice leather feeling plastic.  I have a similar box for my Gillette Ambassador except that one is covered in actual pigskin leather and the insert is flocking on metal rather than plastic but still.  It crossed my mind for a moment that I could put the Ambassador in that new box - the original box I have is in rough condition - but I dismissed that thought.  I've been hunting on and off on ebay for an original box - ideally a mint box with a crap razor (or no razor) in it so I can get it cheap! 

If Gillette is able to sell out this run at the price point, who knows, maybe they'll start running off replicas on an annual basis.  I'd have paid more for this razor if it had the Gillette mark on the top cap.  Not a lot more.

The De-89 razor is a great starter razor and it was many peoples' first DE razor (mine too) - maybe Gillette is sowing the field for future wet shavers.  Maybe I'm giving them too much credit