ETHOS Grooming Essentials A New Line

POLL: 

I need some input. It’s a big decision I have to make and I’m going back and forth on this one so I need some thoughtful input on this subject. It will be very much appreciated.

Ok so this subject has been brought to my attention a few times in the last couple of years by both friends and customers. I’ve been giving it a lot more thought lately and I can see both sides of the debate that others have and keeps going on in my mind. 

I know that my products aren’t the least expensive choice out there and they might not fit into everyone’s budget and I totally get that. I know one thing that I was accused of lately by a a old YouTube reviewer who didn’t have any influence on my decision on this subject as I took the time to watch a few videos and in my opinion his lathering skills, shaving technique and knowledge of shaving product ingredients sure needs a lot work. I know this person wouldn’t spend more than $15 to $18 for a puck of shave soap so I know he’s never going to be my customer and I’m totally ok with that. He never used my shave soap he just said their ridiculously overpriced, and that I must be very greedy. I my product prices are not the least expensive out there but I also know what’s in those jars and bottles and I also know that my mark ups are less than the normal and that can be confirmed by my vendors. An I also know that greed has never been my motivation in life. My dad a long time ago told me when working, focus on your job and not the money, do the best job you can and then at the end of the work day you can then figure out how much money you’ve made. It has been one of my mottos since I was a kid. When I decided to start this journey into making grooming products I told some of my shaving buddies that if I’m going to do this I’m going to make the best products I’m capable of and bringing the most advanced skin care technology into the wet shaving community because as I saw it the shaving world was years behind both the skincare and haircare industry. I wanted a nice packaging presentation as well as the best packaging environment for my ingredients. I feel like I’ve accomplished that but I’ll never sit on my laurels and I’ll keep pushing the boundaries. 


So now that I’ve got that out here’s the real subject. To make ETHOS both more affordable ( money out of pocket ) without lowering my formulas standards. It was brought to me to think about coming out with a 2 to 2.5 oz size in a thick walled HDPE jar which is like many other soaps out in the marketplace. So between the price difference in the amount of product in the jar and packaging that is about 4 times less than what I use in my normal 4.5 oz jars ( the 7.5 oz size is even more ) this will enable me to offer shave soaps in the $24 compared to the $40 for my basic scents. Of course as normal the prices will vary according to the cost of the Aroma Blend. Example Rose, Violet or Tonka Bean for example would be more like $30 as opposed to the $60 range of the 4.5 oz sizes. 

I have mixed feelings on this and I’ve been in conversations with some customers and friends and I get two distinct responses. One says I like the idea as not only can try a scent without spending between $40 to $60 and also you will probably make the brand more appealing to those wet shavers that refuse to spend anything over $25. An also even your customers that want a lot of variety of scents. The other opinion is your brand is looked at as a premium product and this would be diminishing your image. I’ve even have 2 artisan soap makers that are friends have the exact opposite opinion on this. 

So here I am with this situation and I’ve been in my head about this decision more and more lately. 

An if I was going to put this into motion it would probably take a couple months to get this started.  


I know some may look at this situation from both sides of the fence but please try to put yourself in my shoes before posting up your input. 

I’m hoping to get a lot of responses and so it doesn’t disappear out of site when someone posts a SOTD or asks a question on here can you PLEASE QUOTE THIS POST and fill in your comments as I need this to get as many eyes on this post as possible. 


As always thank you for your support. 


Frank

Hi Frank, I may be a little late to the part but here’s my thoughts. Don’t compromise your products or your brand to appeal to customers who are never going to buy your products. If they’ve set an arbitrary cap on what they’re prepared to pay for shaving and skincare products and that cap is more important to them than what’s in the jar, how it performs and the effect on their skin than fine. That’s their choice. I don’t think you should use the ubiquitous white tubs. Why? Because everyone uses them and they’re nowhere near as nice as your containers. The 1oz containers are a good option for travel but if you think that the lower price point will attract the aforementioned price is everything buyers you may be mistaken. Those guys will still calculate the per oz cost and cry that it’s more expensive than their preferred brand that fits under their price cap. Obviously smaller containers means higher overhead so maybe you could restrict the smaller containers to one or two fragrances per year rather than doing it for your whole lineup.   At the end of the day I believe that a premium product should command a premium price. That’s how the world works. You use premium ingredients and premium packaging. Why should you settle for a lower return on investment than a guy going budget all the way. If your products weren’t selling it would be a different story and you’d have to revisit the drawing board but I don’t think that’s the case. Who was the YouTube wag with the poor technique anyway? And who cares what he thinks. That’s my two bits worth.

Marko Good points and thank you for the encouragement my friend! Very much appreciated. You know when something doesn’t feel right and that’s what I was struggling with. I have to believe in what I’m doing and the thought of going to the white jar felt foreign to me. So totally back on track now.

All the best!

Frank

POLL: 

I need some input. It’s a big decision I have to make and I’m going back and forth on this one so I need some thoughtful input on this subject. It will be very much appreciated.

Ok so this subject has been brought to my attention a few times in the last couple of years by both friends and customers. I’ve been giving it a lot more thought lately and I can see both sides of the debate that others have and keeps going on in my mind. 

I know that my products aren’t the least expensive choice out there and they might not fit into everyone’s budget and I totally get that. I know one thing that I was accused of lately by a a old YouTube reviewer who didn’t have any influence on my decision on this subject as I took the time to watch a few videos and in my opinion his lathering skills, shaving technique and knowledge of shaving product ingredients sure needs a lot work. I know this person wouldn’t spend more than $15 to $18 for a puck of shave soap so I know he’s never going to be my customer and I’m totally ok with that. He never used my shave soap he just said their ridiculously overpriced, and that I must be very greedy. I my product prices are not the least expensive out there but I also know what’s in those jars and bottles and I also know that my mark ups are less than the normal and that can be confirmed by my vendors. An I also know that greed has never been my motivation in life. My dad a long time ago told me when working, focus on your job and not the money, do the best job you can and then at the end of the work day you can then figure out how much money you’ve made. It has been one of my mottos since I was a kid. When I decided to start this journey into making grooming products I told some of my shaving buddies that if I’m going to do this I’m going to make the best products I’m capable of and bringing the most advanced skin care technology into the wet shaving community because as I saw it the shaving world was years behind both the skincare and haircare industry. I wanted a nice packaging presentation as well as the best packaging environment for my ingredients. I feel like I’ve accomplished that but I’ll never sit on my laurels and I’ll keep pushing the boundaries. 


So now that I’ve got that out here’s the real subject. To make ETHOS both more affordable ( money out of pocket ) without lowering my formulas standards. It was brought to me to think about coming out with a 2 to 2.5 oz size in a thick walled HDPE jar which is like many other soaps out in the marketplace. So between the price difference in the amount of product in the jar and packaging that is about 4 times less than what I use in my normal 4.5 oz jars ( the 7.5 oz size is even more ) this will enable me to offer shave soaps in the $24 compared to the $40 for my basic scents. Of course as normal the prices will vary according to the cost of the Aroma Blend. Example Rose, Violet or Tonka Bean for example would be more like $30 as opposed to the $60 range of the 4.5 oz sizes. 

I have mixed feelings on this and I’ve been in conversations with some customers and friends and I get two distinct responses. One says I like the idea as not only can try a scent without spending between $40 to $60 and also you will probably make the brand more appealing to those wet shavers that refuse to spend anything over $25. An also even your customers that want a lot of variety of scents. The other opinion is your brand is looked at as a premium product and this would be diminishing your image. I’ve even have 2 artisan soap makers that are friends have the exact opposite opinion on this. 

So here I am with this situation and I’ve been in my head about this decision more and more lately. 

An if I was going to put this into motion it would probably take a couple months to get this started.  


I know some may look at this situation from both sides of the fence but please try to put yourself in my shoes before posting up your input. 

I’m hoping to get a lot of responses and so it doesn’t disappear out of site when someone posts a SOTD or asks a question on here can you PLEASE QUOTE THIS POST and fill in your comments as I need this to get as many eyes on this post as possible. 


As always thank you for your support. 


Frank

Hi Frank, I may be a little late to the part but here’s my thoughts. Don’t compromise your products or your brand to appeal to customers who are never going to buy your products. If they’ve set an arbitrary cap on what they’re prepared to pay for shaving and skincare products and that cap is more important to them than what’s in the jar, how it performs and the effect on their skin than fine. That’s their choice. I don’t think you should use the ubiquitous white tubs. Why? Because everyone uses them and they’re nowhere near as nice as your containers. The 1oz containers are a good option for travel but if you think that the lower price point will attract the aforementioned price is everything buyers you may be mistaken. Those guys will still calculate the per oz cost and cry that it’s more expensive than their preferred brand that fits under their price cap. Obviously smaller containers means higher overhead so maybe you could restrict the smaller containers to one or two fragrances per year rather than doing it for your whole lineup.   At the end of the day I believe that a premium product should command a premium price. That’s how the world works. You use premium ingredients and premium packaging. Why should you settle for a lower return on investment than a guy going budget all the way. If your products weren’t selling it would be a different story and you’d have to revisit the drawing board but I don’t think that’s the case. Who was the YouTube wag with the poor technique anyway? And who cares what he thinks. That’s my two bits worth.

I'd go as far as to say the Sample containers, which fit the bill for allowing folks to decide if they like a scent, also fit the purpose you touch on Mark. Anyone who is watching money and hasn't tried Ethos might cough up $10 (or whatever it is in that ballpark) to see "what the fuss is about".

You're right, most will probably still balk at the full price... but a few will likely be swayed, after they've experienced it. Additionally, you might see a spectrum of different thinking... folks who don't want to pay that much, but try it and like it, then come back later - say when they have come into some disposable income? Probably a bit far fetched. Still, it could account for a few sales. Another thought... folks who have had issues with ingredients can cheaply try it before they go for a full purchase.

One final thought... There's a lot of focus on price here. Certainly it can't be denied that they're up there, however, the 7.5 oz size is close (I haven't done any numbers) to other products on the market. So, try an ounce... like it, buy 7.5 and keep your cost per ounce low, maybe? Just a 'thought train' for those who are on the fence about price.

Bottom line is, I think the samples have myriad uses. Much more versatile than scents alone. As it was, the scent trial was enough to make them worth it. That's my 2¢, at least.

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POLL: 

I need some input. It’s a big decision I have to make and I’m going back and forth on this one so I need some thoughtful input on this subject. It will be very much appreciated.

Ok so this subject has been brought to my attention a few times in the last couple of years by both friends and customers. I’ve been giving it a lot more thought lately and I can see both sides of the debate that others have and keeps going on in my mind. 

I know that my products aren’t the least expensive choice out there and they might not fit into everyone’s budget and I totally get that. I know one thing that I was accused of lately by a a old YouTube reviewer who didn’t have any influence on my decision on this subject as I took the time to watch a few videos and in my opinion his lathering skills, shaving technique and knowledge of shaving product ingredients sure needs a lot work. I know this person wouldn’t spend more than $15 to $18 for a puck of shave soap so I know he’s never going to be my customer and I’m totally ok with that. He never used my shave soap he just said their ridiculously overpriced, and that I must be very greedy. I my product prices are not the least expensive out there but I also know what’s in those jars and bottles and I also know that my mark ups are less than the normal and that can be confirmed by my vendors. An I also know that greed has never been my motivation in life. My dad a long time ago told me when working, focus on your job and not the money, do the best job you can and then at the end of the work day you can then figure out how much money you’ve made. It has been one of my mottos since I was a kid. When I decided to start this journey into making grooming products I told some of my shaving buddies that if I’m going to do this I’m going to make the best products I’m capable of and bringing the most advanced skin care technology into the wet shaving community because as I saw it the shaving world was years behind both the skincare and haircare industry. I wanted a nice packaging presentation as well as the best packaging environment for my ingredients. I feel like I’ve accomplished that but I’ll never sit on my laurels and I’ll keep pushing the boundaries. 


So now that I’ve got that out here’s the real subject. To make ETHOS both more affordable ( money out of pocket ) without lowering my formulas standards. It was brought to me to think about coming out with a 2 to 2.5 oz size in a thick walled HDPE jar which is like many other soaps out in the marketplace. So between the price difference in the amount of product in the jar and packaging that is about 4 times less than what I use in my normal 4.5 oz jars ( the 7.5 oz size is even more ) this will enable me to offer shave soaps in the $24 compared to the $40 for my basic scents. Of course as normal the prices will vary according to the cost of the Aroma Blend. Example Rose, Violet or Tonka Bean for example would be more like $30 as opposed to the $60 range of the 4.5 oz sizes. 

I have mixed feelings on this and I’ve been in conversations with some customers and friends and I get two distinct responses. One says I like the idea as not only can try a scent without spending between $40 to $60 and also you will probably make the brand more appealing to those wet shavers that refuse to spend anything over $25. An also even your customers that want a lot of variety of scents. The other opinion is your brand is looked at as a premium product and this would be diminishing your image. I’ve even have 2 artisan soap makers that are friends have the exact opposite opinion on this. 

So here I am with this situation and I’ve been in my head about this decision more and more lately. 

An if I was going to put this into motion it would probably take a couple months to get this started.  


I know some may look at this situation from both sides of the fence but please try to put yourself in my shoes before posting up your input. 

I’m hoping to get a lot of responses and so it doesn’t disappear out of site when someone posts a SOTD or asks a question on here can you PLEASE QUOTE THIS POST and fill in your comments as I need this to get as many eyes on this post as possible. 


As always thank you for your support. 


Frank

Hi Frank, I may be a little late to the part but here’s my thoughts. Don’t compromise your products or your brand to appeal to customers who are never going to buy your products. If they’ve set an arbitrary cap on what they’re prepared to pay for shaving and skincare products and that cap is more important to them than what’s in the jar, how it performs and the effect on their skin than fine. That’s their choice. I don’t think you should use the ubiquitous white tubs. Why? Because everyone uses them and they’re nowhere near as nice as your containers. The 1oz containers are a good option for travel but if you think that the lower price point will attract the aforementioned price is everything buyers you may be mistaken. Those guys will still calculate the per oz cost and cry that it’s more expensive than their preferred brand that fits under their price cap. Obviously smaller containers means higher overhead so maybe you could restrict the smaller containers to one or two fragrances per year rather than doing it for your whole lineup.   At the end of the day I believe that a premium product should command a premium price. That’s how the world works. You use premium ingredients and premium packaging. Why should you settle for a lower return on investment than a guy going budget all the way. If your products weren’t selling it would be a different story and you’d have to revisit the drawing board but I don’t think that’s the case. Who was the YouTube wag with the poor technique anyway? And who cares what he thinks. That’s my two bits worth.

I'd go as far as to say the Sample containers, which fit the bill for allowing folks to decide if they like a scent, also fit the purpose you touch on Mark. Anyone who is watching money and hasn't tried Ethos might cough up $10 (or whatever it is in that ballpark) to see "what the fuss is about".

You're right, most will probably still balk at the full price... but a few will likely be swayed, after they've experienced it. Additionally, you might see a spectrum of different thinking... folks who don't want to pay that much, but try it and like it, then come back later - say when they have come into some disposable income? Probably a bit far fetched. Still, it could account for a few sales. Another thought... folks who have had issues with ingredients can cheaply try it before they go for a full purchase.

One final thought... There's a lot of focus on price here. Certainly it can't be denied that they're up there, however, the 7.5 oz size is close (I haven't done any numbers) to other products on the market. So, try an ounce... like it, buy 7.5 and keep your cost per ounce low, maybe? Just a 'thought train' for those who are on the fence about price.

Bottom line is, I think the samples have myriad uses. Much more versatile than scents alone. As it was, the scent trial was enough to make them worth it. That's my 2¢, at least.

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You make some very good points. I’m speaking from the perspective of an anti sample guy. I mean seriously, how expensive is even the most expensive soap really? Take out sebum because it’s actually ridiculously priced and you’re not really talking a lot of money to buy a full tub. I don’t begrudge the artisan a sale and if I don’t like it I can resell or PIF it. I know there are guys out there that will only use samples and if they’re free so much the better. You can blast me about the money but we’re not talking about milk and eggs or rent. It’s shaving soap. If you’re so strapped for cash that you can’t afford a tub of premium soap, stick with the cheaper stuff or grow a beard. There’s plenty of guys that will PIF you soap too. Artisans have to make a living if they’re going to continue in the business. We’ve all seen good artisans fall off the branch over the years and I can guarantee you that not one of them quit because they were making too much money.

POLL: 

I need some input. It’s a big decision I have to make and I’m going back and forth on this one so I need some thoughtful input on this subject. It will be very much appreciated.

Ok so this subject has been brought to my attention a few times in the last couple of years by both friends and customers. I’ve been giving it a lot more thought lately and I can see both sides of the debate that others have and keeps going on in my mind. 

I know that my products aren’t the least expensive choice out there and they might not fit into everyone’s budget and I totally get that. I know one thing that I was accused of lately by a a old YouTube reviewer who didn’t have any influence on my decision on this subject as I took the time to watch a few videos and in my opinion his lathering skills, shaving technique and knowledge of shaving product ingredients sure needs a lot work. I know this person wouldn’t spend more than $15 to $18 for a puck of shave soap so I know he’s never going to be my customer and I’m totally ok with that. He never used my shave soap he just said their ridiculously overpriced, and that I must be very greedy. I my product prices are not the least expensive out there but I also know what’s in those jars and bottles and I also know that my mark ups are less than the normal and that can be confirmed by my vendors. An I also know that greed has never been my motivation in life. My dad a long time ago told me when working, focus on your job and not the money, do the best job you can and then at the end of the work day you can then figure out how much money you’ve made. It has been one of my mottos since I was a kid. When I decided to start this journey into making grooming products I told some of my shaving buddies that if I’m going to do this I’m going to make the best products I’m capable of and bringing the most advanced skin care technology into the wet shaving community because as I saw it the shaving world was years behind both the skincare and haircare industry. I wanted a nice packaging presentation as well as the best packaging environment for my ingredients. I feel like I’ve accomplished that but I’ll never sit on my laurels and I’ll keep pushing the boundaries. 


So now that I’ve got that out here’s the real subject. To make ETHOS both more affordable ( money out of pocket ) without lowering my formulas standards. It was brought to me to think about coming out with a 2 to 2.5 oz size in a thick walled HDPE jar which is like many other soaps out in the marketplace. So between the price difference in the amount of product in the jar and packaging that is about 4 times less than what I use in my normal 4.5 oz jars ( the 7.5 oz size is even more ) this will enable me to offer shave soaps in the $24 compared to the $40 for my basic scents. Of course as normal the prices will vary according to the cost of the Aroma Blend. Example Rose, Violet or Tonka Bean for example would be more like $30 as opposed to the $60 range of the 4.5 oz sizes. 

I have mixed feelings on this and I’ve been in conversations with some customers and friends and I get two distinct responses. One says I like the idea as not only can try a scent without spending between $40 to $60 and also you will probably make the brand more appealing to those wet shavers that refuse to spend anything over $25. An also even your customers that want a lot of variety of scents. The other opinion is your brand is looked at as a premium product and this would be diminishing your image. I’ve even have 2 artisan soap makers that are friends have the exact opposite opinion on this. 

So here I am with this situation and I’ve been in my head about this decision more and more lately. 

An if I was going to put this into motion it would probably take a couple months to get this started.  


I know some may look at this situation from both sides of the fence but please try to put yourself in my shoes before posting up your input. 

I’m hoping to get a lot of responses and so it doesn’t disappear out of site when someone posts a SOTD or asks a question on here can you PLEASE QUOTE THIS POST and fill in your comments as I need this to get as many eyes on this post as possible. 


As always thank you for your support. 


Frank

Two opposing thoughts:
1) I’m no fool. Many products, not just in the shaving industry, now have modified packaging to make reduced product fill LOOK the same size as always. I notice. It’s both insulting and inconvenient. To get the same amount of product, I now have to buy two, and find shelf space for it. Alternately, I need to buy again sooner IF it’s in stock (travel or shipping cost, my time, etc). Just take a walk through the grocery.
2) I may be an outlier, but I’m generally not a fan of complex, sophisticated fragrances. When I do try one that sounds interesting, the success rate is low. Not saying I don’t appreciate complexity in other contexts, but in general perfumery and I are not aligned. Besides, sometimes I just want to try a small amount before committing, or maybe I just want a bit of variety in the rotation without buying a lifetime supply. Or, perhaps, I want to try it quick before stocking up on a limited release product.

So, I do appreciate the availability of honest sample size jars. I do not appreciate packaging trickery. It’s rampant, and difficult to avoid in modern life, but I do see it and resent it.

Honest alternatives are great, but as Dad used to say, “Don’t piss on my back and tell me it’s raining.”

POLL: 

I need some input. It’s a big decision I have to make and I’m going back and forth on this one so I need some thoughtful input on this subject. It will be very much appreciated.

Ok so this subject has been brought to my attention a few times in the last couple of years by both friends and customers. I’ve been giving it a lot more thought lately and I can see both sides of the debate that others have and keeps going on in my mind. 

I know that my products aren’t the least expensive choice out there and they might not fit into everyone’s budget and I totally get that. I know one thing that I was accused of lately by a a old YouTube reviewer who didn’t have any influence on my decision on this subject as I took the time to watch a few videos and in my opinion his lathering skills, shaving technique and knowledge of shaving product ingredients sure needs a lot work. I know this person wouldn’t spend more than $15 to $18 for a puck of shave soap so I know he’s never going to be my customer and I’m totally ok with that. He never used my shave soap he just said their ridiculously overpriced, and that I must be very greedy. I my product prices are not the least expensive out there but I also know what’s in those jars and bottles and I also know that my mark ups are less than the normal and that can be confirmed by my vendors. An I also know that greed has never been my motivation in life. My dad a long time ago told me when working, focus on your job and not the money, do the best job you can and then at the end of the work day you can then figure out how much money you’ve made. It has been one of my mottos since I was a kid. When I decided to start this journey into making grooming products I told some of my shaving buddies that if I’m going to do this I’m going to make the best products I’m capable of and bringing the most advanced skin care technology into the wet shaving community because as I saw it the shaving world was years behind both the skincare and haircare industry. I wanted a nice packaging presentation as well as the best packaging environment for my ingredients. I feel like I’ve accomplished that but I’ll never sit on my laurels and I’ll keep pushing the boundaries. 


So now that I’ve got that out here’s the real subject. To make ETHOS both more affordable ( money out of pocket ) without lowering my formulas standards. It was brought to me to think about coming out with a 2 to 2.5 oz size in a thick walled HDPE jar which is like many other soaps out in the marketplace. So between the price difference in the amount of product in the jar and packaging that is about 4 times less than what I use in my normal 4.5 oz jars ( the 7.5 oz size is even more ) this will enable me to offer shave soaps in the $24 compared to the $40 for my basic scents. Of course as normal the prices will vary according to the cost of the Aroma Blend. Example Rose, Violet or Tonka Bean for example would be more like $30 as opposed to the $60 range of the 4.5 oz sizes. 

I have mixed feelings on this and I’ve been in conversations with some customers and friends and I get two distinct responses. One says I like the idea as not only can try a scent without spending between $40 to $60 and also you will probably make the brand more appealing to those wet shavers that refuse to spend anything over $25. An also even your customers that want a lot of variety of scents. The other opinion is your brand is looked at as a premium product and this would be diminishing your image. I’ve even have 2 artisan soap makers that are friends have the exact opposite opinion on this. 

So here I am with this situation and I’ve been in my head about this decision more and more lately. 

An if I was going to put this into motion it would probably take a couple months to get this started.  


I know some may look at this situation from both sides of the fence but please try to put yourself in my shoes before posting up your input. 

I’m hoping to get a lot of responses and so it doesn’t disappear out of site when someone posts a SOTD or asks a question on here can you PLEASE QUOTE THIS POST and fill in your comments as I need this to get as many eyes on this post as possible. 


As always thank you for your support. 


Frank

Two opposing thoughts:
1) I’m no fool. Many products, not just in the shaving industry, now have modified packaging to make reduced product fill LOOK the same size as always. I notice. It’s both insulting and inconvenient. To get the same amount of product, I now have to buy two, and find shelf space for it. Alternately, I need to buy again sooner (travel or shipping cost, my time, etc). Just take a walk through the grocery.
2) I may be an outlier, but I’m generally not a fan of complex, sophisticated fragrances. When I do try one that sounds interesting, the success rate is low. Not saying I don’t appreciate complexity in other contexts, but in general perfumery and I are not aligned. Besides, sometimes I just want to try a small amount before committing, or maybe I just want a bit of variety in the rotation without buying a lifetime supply.

So, I do appreciate the availability of honest sample size jars. I do not appreciate packaging trickery. It’s rampant, and difficult to avoid in modern life, but I do see it and resent it.

Honest alternatives are great, but as Dad used to say, “Don’t piss on my back and tell me it’s raining.”

Aren't the product weights measured sans container, as a standard? So if a vendor offers 4oz of soap and switches containers to a bulkier one, it is still the same 4oz of soap regardless.

While I'm 99% certain I'm right there as a standard, I'm 100% certain Frank weighs the soap alone.

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Most products are labeled with the weight or volume of the fill, despite the package trickery to look like more. The vendors are counting on consumers to just habitually grab the familiar package without reading the label.

I’m not accusing anyone of fraud, and I’m certainly don’t intend to disparage Frank in any way.

I’m simply stating my perspective as a consumer frustrated by “shrinkflation”.

Most products are labeled with the weight or volume of the fill, despite the package trickery to look like more. The vendors are counting on consumers to just habitually grab the familiar package without reading the label.

I’m not accusing anyone of fraud, and I’m certainly don’t intend to disparage Frank in any way.

I’m simply stating my perspective as a consumer frustrated by “shrinkflation”.

Ooh, I see! A larger tub might make one assume they're getting more, if they don't read the actual weight. Makes sense, especially when you are in a physical store.

Nope, definitely didn't think you were disparaging. Frank. I just worried for a second that I had it all backwards. Lol.

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Most products are labeled with the weight or volume of the fill, despite the package trickery to look like more. The vendors are counting on consumers to just habitually grab the familiar package without reading the label.

I’m not accusing anyone of fraud, and I’m certainly don’t intend to disparage Frank in any way.

I’m simply stating my perspective as a consumer frustrated by “shrinkflation”.

I totally get that concern. I almost always go over what the oz says on the jar. Example the Dragonsbeard in the 4.5 oz size really has a 5.5 oz fill of the Shave Soap.

UPDATES:

It’s official. Bullgoose Shaving will be the newest vendor and I’ll be preparing his order this week. I have to say I’ve known Phil pretty much since I started in this hobby and have purchased my fair share of both razors and other items over the years and he’s been very easy to work with on this business endeavor. . He will be getting some of the standards and all the most recent releases including the 4.5 oz Dragonsbeard products.

The shipment of the custom 4.5 oz jars arrived today so now I can aggressively get to making some soaps. Next in line the Beaute Sauvage and then both Bay Rums.

The Nuage de Citron with the much more prominent Lemon forward Aroma Blend should be ready in both sizes by Friday or Saturday.

I’ll be releasing Derma Boost in the next week or so. Just waiting on one ingredient that’s already shipped out. I’ll write up a more in depth description when it’s ready. All I’ll say for now is serious skin care in that little bottle.

Kind regards