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(10-13-2022, 07:38 AM)Dragonsbeard Wrote: UPDATES: 

So I haven’t been very active on here lately and that’s because I’ve been very active playing catch up and most importantly working on a whole bunch of new releases I have planned for both Fall & Winter which includes the remainder of 2022 through February 2023.  As far as getting my operation at my new location back to speed I’m about a week or so from that goal. 

There are so many new things in the works I can’t wait to bring them to the table.  I’ve been very actively working with my good friend Joe who happens to be one of the best cosmetic chemists in this country when it comes to formulating both Hair & Skin care products. We are working with the same ingredient company that we developed the EOS Complex with.  In fact I’m going to be doing an in depth write up on that in the near future. It has been my goal to bring advanced Skincare technology to the the traditional Wet Shaving Community since I started this journey with ETHOS.  
More details on that coming up as I 
have so much to say on so many subjects but I don’t want to lay to much on you at once

So on to the meat & potatoes of this post.  The Sandalo Artistico products. So the Shave Soap is made and it’s been sitting since Saturday so it will be ready for shipping to my vendors by Monday. An for those that don’t know. I make a large batch of Unscented/ 85% finished base and it cures for about 2 months so that’s why when creating a new Shave soap ( scent ) all I have to do is do a slow melt add in the remaining ingredients at the lowest temperature possible which includes both the Aroma blend and the high heat sensitive ingredients which would loose some of their benefits and in the case of the Aroma Blend, scent  strength. So that’s why it doesn’t take very long from the time I pour the soap till it’s ready for release in case anyone was wondering. 

 

Also aside from the F Base Shaving Soap and Skin Food Splash, there will be the new Skin Food Lotion and the first of my new oil based serums. An I have to disclose there are two new ingredients that were just released that I’ve added to the serum formula but they will not appear on the first set of labels as they were printed before the release of these two revolutionary new ingredients were available but they will appear on the next batch of labels and all the new serums that I’ll be adding that no only match some of the existing Aromas like Lavender for example but all the new releases. This formula is replacing the existing serums. I will list the new ingredients on the website in the description. I’m extremely excited about these two ingredients and I suspect you won’t find them in any other oil based serum in any high end skincare brand for a while. 

Ok on to another subject that’s been on my mind and bugging me for a while so time to let it out. 
This was recently sparked by a post on another forum where I’m not able to express my thoughts. 

So what’s bugging me is the misrepresentation of two of my favorite Wood Oils.  Sandalwood and Oud/Argarwood.  Here’s my thoughts and why I feel the way I feel.  First off the two words are in my humble opinon thrown around very loosely! An I’ll be clear this doesn’t just go for the shaving world but also and more so the world of perfumery. 
 
A couple of easy examples: 

Taylor of Old Bond Street Sandalwood. As the name implies. It’s Sandalwood. No it’s not! Not even one drop of it in there. Totally synthetic and it doesn’t smell anything like any Sandalwood I’ve ever had my nose on and I’ve had my nose on not only the easy to get varieties but some very rare vintage ones. Not a one of them smell like TOBS Sandalwood.  It’s a created fragrance.  In my opinion a nice fragrance and worthy of a name but not simply Sandalwood.. it’s very misleading in my opinion as anyone who let’s say never smelled 100% Authentic Sandalwood may actually think that’s what it smells like. Also if a blend of many aroma ingredients that could all be synthetic, natural or a combo of both and it doesn’t contain a decent amount of real Sandalwood then call the scent/ product a creative name but not just Sandalwood. Especially if it smells nothing like real Sandalwood! 


2nd example: 

Tom Ford Oud Wood 

Aroma blend profile as advertised 

[Image: ibxxYuT.jpg]

Actual ingredients 

Alcohol Denat., Fragrance:  Water, Linalool, Bht, Limonene, Coumarin, Cinnamyl Alcohol, Farnesol, Hydroxyisohexyl 3-Cyclohexene Carboxaldehyde, Butylphenyl Methylpropional


Not one drop of real Oud/Argarwood oil Sandalwood, Vanilla etc etc. 

A great scent and a great job of perfumery and I like it but it is in my opinon once again very misleading. Id have more respect for TF if he were to call it some creative name but to call it Oud Wood when there is no Oud or Wood oil of any sort in the blend just doesn’t sit well with me and especially at the price of entry. If it had a different brand name on it and wasn’t in a custom bottle the synthetic oil scent would sell for a whole lot less. So once again if a person never had their nose on any variation of authentic Oud/Agarwood oil they might think that’s what it smells like. 

Authentic  Sandalwood oil goes from relatively expensive to extremely expensive when your talking about Vintage Royal Mysore and Authentic Oud/Argarwood oils goes from very expensive to outrageously expensive as I’ve seen some rare aged vintage Oud oil at $5,000 and oz! 

So bottom line if someone is making a soap, cologne or any other product and it doesn’t contain a very healthy dose of the real Wood oil in it where it’s the dominant scent please come up with some creative name for the products but please don’t use the name of the Wood oil as a single name/title to describe it. Oh and I’m sure that the makers, at least most of them I’m hoping don’t mean to be misleading or use deceptive marketing to try to pull one over on customers. 

Oh and just for the hell of it I did the cost breakdown on what the cost of using a 100% straight Mysore Sandalwood oil that’ I know of that’s available in the US and it’s not a rare vintage one but a 30 to 40 yr old batch and it would cost $67.00 for just the Mysore in each 4oz jar of Shave Soap. So add the other ingredients, packaging and labels and mark up and it’s pretty plain to see that your not going to get the real deal in a $25 tub of shave soap and if it were Oud you could double or even triple that price per jar and again that’s not the rare vintage Oud/Agarwood oil. 

So just to be upfront my new Sandalo Artistico has a total of 60% East Indian Sandalwood, 20% Mysore Wood Accord and 5% 1960 Mysore Sandalwood oil in the shave soap with the other Aroma ingredients making up the remaking 15% of the Aroma Blend. And I’m not calling it simply Sandalwood. Even though it has a heavy dose of the real juice in it. 

Look I understand not everyone may share my opinion on the subject but I felt I needed  to express it. An hopefully I’m not coming off as a fragrance snob or anything like that as that’s pretty far from my nature but like I said those two wood oils seem to be so misrepresented in the personal care industry and especially in in perfumery and in the shaving world as well. 

Great shaves all.

Wow!  Thank you for taking the time Frank.  I must admit it is a lot for me to take in, but OTOH I remember the first time I opened the Mysore Santal from your Aja Collection.  I was like "OMG! So this is what the real deal smells like."  So for that alone, I'm on board.  -- Thanks again for the detailed writeup.

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(This post was last modified: 10-13-2022, 02:27 PM by Dragonsbeard.)
(10-13-2022, 09:20 AM)HighSpeed Wrote:
(10-13-2022, 07:38 AM)Dragonsbeard Wrote: UPDATES: 

So I haven’t been very active on here lately and that’s because I’ve been very active playing catch up and most importantly working on a whole bunch of new releases I have planned for both Fall & Winter which includes the remainder of 2022 through February 2023.  As far as getting my operation at my new location back to speed I’m about a week or so from that goal. 

There are so many new things in the works I can’t wait to bring them to the table.  I’ve been very actively working with my good friend Joe who happens to be one of the best cosmetic chemists in this country when it comes to formulating both Hair & Skin care products. We are working with the same ingredient company that we developed the EOS Complex with.  In fact I’m going to be doing an in depth write up on that in the near future. It has been my goal to bring advanced Skincare technology to the the traditional Wet Shaving Community since I started this journey with ETHOS.  
More details on that coming up as I 
have so much to say on so many subjects but I don’t want to lay to much on you at once

So on to the meat & potatoes of this post.  The Sandalo Artistico products. So the Shave Soap is made and it’s been sitting since Saturday so it will be ready for shipping to my vendors by Monday. An for those that don’t know. I make a large batch of Unscented/ 85% finished base and it cures for about 2 months so that’s why when creating a new Shave soap ( scent ) all I have to do is do a slow melt add in the remaining ingredients at the lowest temperature possible which includes both the Aroma blend and the high heat sensitive ingredients which would loose some of their benefits and in the case of the Aroma Blend, scent  strength. So that’s why it doesn’t take very long from the time I pour the soap till it’s ready for release in case anyone was wondering. 

 

Also aside from the F Base Shaving Soap and Skin Food Splash, there will be the new Skin Food Lotion and the first of my new oil based serums. An I have to disclose there are two new ingredients that were just released that I’ve added to the serum formula but they will not appear on the first set of labels as they were printed before the release of these two revolutionary new ingredients were available but they will appear on the next batch of labels and all the new serums that I’ll be adding that no only match some of the existing Aromas like Lavender for example but all the new releases. This formula is replacing the existing serums. I will list the new ingredients on the website in the description. I’m extremely excited about these two ingredients and I suspect you won’t find them in any other oil based serum in any high end skincare brand for a while. 

Ok on to another subject that’s been on my mind and bugging me for a while so time to let it out. 
This was recently sparked by a post on another forum where I’m not able to express my thoughts. 

So what’s bugging me is the misrepresentation of two of my favorite Wood Oils.  Sandalwood and Oud/Argarwood.  Here’s my thoughts and why I feel the way I feel.  First off the two words are in my humble opinon thrown around very loosely! An I’ll be clear this doesn’t just go for the shaving world but also and more so the world of perfumery. 
 
A couple of easy examples: 

Taylor of Old Bond Street Sandalwood. As the name implies. It’s Sandalwood. No it’s not! Not even one drop of it in there. Totally synthetic and it doesn’t smell anything like any Sandalwood I’ve ever had my nose on and I’ve had my nose on not only the easy to get varieties but some very rare vintage ones. Not a one of them smell like TOBS Sandalwood.  It’s a created fragrance.  In my opinion a nice fragrance and worthy of a name but not simply Sandalwood.. it’s very misleading in my opinion as anyone who let’s say never smelled 100% Authentic Sandalwood may actually think that’s what it smells like. Also if a blend of many aroma ingredients that could all be synthetic, natural or a combo of both and it doesn’t contain a decent amount of real Sandalwood then call the scent/ product a creative name but not just Sandalwood. Especially if it smells nothing like real Sandalwood! 


2nd example: 

Tom Ford Oud Wood 

Aroma blend profile as advertised 

[Image: ibxxYuT.jpg]

Actual ingredients 

Alcohol Denat., Fragrance:  Water, Linalool, Bht, Limonene, Coumarin, Cinnamyl Alcohol, Farnesol, Hydroxyisohexyl 3-Cyclohexene Carboxaldehyde, Butylphenyl Methylpropional


Not one drop of real Oud/Argarwood oil Sandalwood, Vanilla etc etc. 

A great scent and a great job of perfumery and I like it but it is in my opinon once again very misleading. Id have more respect for TF if he were to call it some creative name but to call it Oud Wood when there is no Oud or Wood oil of any sort in the blend just doesn’t sit well with me and especially at the price of entry. If it had a different brand name on it and wasn’t in a custom bottle the synthetic oil scent would sell for a whole lot less. So once again if a person never had their nose on any variation of authentic Oud/Agarwood oil they might think that’s what it smells like. 

Authentic  Sandalwood oil goes from relatively expensive to extremely expensive when your talking about Vintage Royal Mysore and Authentic Oud/Argarwood oils goes from very expensive to outrageously expensive as I’ve seen some rare aged vintage Oud oil at $5,000 and oz! 

So bottom line if someone is making a soap, cologne or any other product and it doesn’t contain a very healthy dose of the real Wood oil in it where it’s the dominant scent please come up with some creative name for the products but please don’t use the name of the Wood oil as a single name/title to describe it. Oh and I’m sure that the makers, at least most of them I’m hoping don’t mean to be misleading or use deceptive marketing to try to pull one over on customers. 

Oh and just for the hell of it I did the cost breakdown on what the cost of using a 100% straight Mysore Sandalwood oil that’ I know of that’s available in the US and it’s not a rare vintage one but a 30 to 40 yr old batch and it would cost $67.00 for just the Mysore in each 4oz jar of Shave Soap. So add the other ingredients, packaging and labels and mark up and it’s pretty plain to see that your not going to get the real deal in a $25 tub of shave soap and if it were Oud you could double or even triple that price per jar and again that’s not the rare vintage Oud/Agarwood oil. 

So just to be upfront my new Sandalo Artistico has a total of 60% East Indian Sandalwood, 20% Mysore Wood Accord and 5% 1960 Mysore Sandalwood oil in the shave soap with the other Aroma ingredients making up the remaking 15% of the Aroma Blend. And I’m not calling it simply Sandalwood. Even though it has a heavy dose of the real juice in it. 

Look I understand not everyone may share my opinion on the subject but I felt I needed  to express it. An hopefully I’m not coming off as a fragrance snob or anything like that as that’s pretty far from my nature but like I said those two wood oils seem to be so misrepresented in the personal care industry and especially in in perfumery and in the shaving world as well. 

Great shaves all.

Wow!  Thank you for taking the time Frank.  I must admit it is a lot for me to take in, but OTOH I remember the first time I opened the Mysore Santal from your Aja Collection.  I was like "OMG! So this is what the real deal smells like."  So for that alone, I'm on board.  -- Thanks again for the detailed writeup.

Thank you Mike for the kind words on Mysore Santal. Using real Mysore Sandalwood oil and Infusing it with the Mysore wood chips really give it some body. 

An guys  I’m sorry for some of the typos and incomplete sentences and thoughts  If anyone is interested I’ve gone back and edited the post. It was pretty late last night when I wrote it so when I looked at it this morning I’m like really Frank! You need to clean it up. LOL.

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With the impending release of Sandalo Artistico I decided to pick up the Mysore Santal Skin Food Splash as my first sandalwood reference. Will be nice to finally know what the real deal smells like versus the other so called sandalwood products.

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(10-13-2022, 05:19 PM)AlphaFrank75 Wrote: With the impending release of Sandalo Artistico I decided to pick up the Mysore Santal Skin Food Splash as my first sandalwood reference.  Will be nice to finally know what the real deal smells like versus the other so called sandalwood products.

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(This post was last modified: 10-18-2022, 06:17 PM by Dragonsbeard.)
UPDATE: 

So aside from the Sandalo Artistico products that are coming soon I thought I’d just let you know what’s coming up very soon. I’ll go into more details on them when their closer to complete but finished the labels and these Aromas will have other products joining the Shave Soaps and Creme's

The Traditional Bay Rum will have a full spectrum of products but here’s a few. Bath soap Label ingredients are not what it is we have to put the ingredients in and then order the labels. 

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Another addition to the Bay Rum Family is the Tropical Bay Rum called Tortola. For now there’s only going to be the Skin Food Splash and if there’s enough demand for it I’ll put a Shave soap in the Spring schedule in time for the hot weather, but for now it can easily be paired with the traditional Bay Rum Shave Soap. 

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Here’s an old friend that I’ve gotten a whole lot of requests for. Tibu Saboni  For those with Problematic Skin. This has its own unique base unlike any other ETHOS base. 

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A new Tallow Shave Creme and I’m very excited about this one as I love Bergamot and I’ll go into more detail this weekend as theirs a good story behind it I think you’ll enjoy. Oh and a few upgrades to the Tallow  base that will be in all the new Shave Creme's from now on.  Of course there will be the Skin Food Splash, Lotion and Serum to start with. 

Bergamotto 

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Another brand new Tallow Shave Creme and I’ll post up the Aroma Blend, again over the weekend. When I have some time to do a write up. 


Ravello 

Again it will release with the three other matching products, Splash, Lotion and Serum. Another one I’m excited about. 


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Well that’s it for now. 

Great shaves all.

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Those all sound great, Frank! The label artwork is excellent, as well.
You've certainly got your hands full. Good luck and looking forward to these.

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Williamsburg, KY
(This post was last modified: 10-18-2022, 02:43 PM by Dave in KY.)
(10-17-2022, 11:33 PM)Dragonsbeard Wrote: IPDATE: 

So aside from the Sandalo Artistico products that are coming soon I thought I’d just let you know what’s coming up very soon. I’ll go into more details on them when their closer to complete but finished the labels and these Aromas will have other products joining the Shave Soaps and Creme's

The Traditional Bay Rum will have a full spectrum of products but here’s a few. Bath soap Label ingredients are not what it is we have to put the ingredients in and then order the labels. 


Another addition to the Bay Rum Family is the Tropical Bay Rum called Tortola. For now there’s only going to be the Skin Food Splash and if there’s enough demand for it I’ll put a Shave soap in the Spring schedule in time for the hot weather, but for now it can easily be paired with the traditional Bay Rum Shave Soap. 





Here’s an old friend that I’ve gotten a whole lot of requests for. Tibu Saboni  For those with Problematic Skin. This has its own unique base unlike any other ETHOS base. 



A new Tallow Shave Creme and I’m very excited about this one as I love Bergamot and I’ll go into more detail this weekend as theirs a good story behind it I think you’ll enjoy. Oh and a few upgrades to the Tallow  base that will be in all the new Shave Creme's from now on.  Of course there will be the Skin Food Splash, Lotion and Serum to start with. 

Bergamotto 



Another brand new Tallow Shave Creme and I’ll post up the Aroma Blend, again over the weekend. When I have some time to do a write up. 


Ravello 

Again it will release with the three other matching products, Splash, Lotion and Serum. Another one I’m excited about. 



Well that’s it for now. 

Great shaves all.

Frank, 2 questions.....1) Can you set aside a set of the traditional Bay Rum and the Tropical Version SFS so I don't miss them and 2) What's an Ipdate ?  Big Grin Take Care you BUSY man !

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(10-18-2022, 03:04 AM)Nero Wrote: Those all sound great, Frank! The label artwork is excellent, as well.
You've certainly got your hands full. Good luck and looking forward to these.

Nero

Thanks Matt

I agree Monica did a great job on the labels. We always have fun putting them together and we’ve got a couple more to finish I think you’ll like.

Yes I’ve got a lot to do but with the Cremes are all the same base so I make a large amount Unscented and then because they are Cremes I can add the Aroma ingredients at room temperature so it’s much faster than the Shave soaps. I have like 2 others planned for this winter that I’ll post up.

The Bay Rums will be made this weekend so I’ll have most of these done in the next two weeks. It’s all about the labels sometimes that hold up the releases.

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(10-18-2022, 12:21 PM):DDave in KY Wrote:
(10-17-2022, 11:33 PM)Dragonsbeard Wrote: IPDATE: 

So aside from the Sandalo Artistico products that are coming soon I thought I’d just let you know what’s coming up very soon. I’ll go into more details on them when their closer to complete but finished the labels and these Aromas will have other products joining the Shave Soaps and Creme's

The Traditional Bay Rum will have a full spectrum of products but here’s a few. Bath soap Label ingredients are not what it is we have to put the ingredients in and then order the labels. 


Another addition to the Bay Rum Family is the Tropical Bay Rum called Tortola. For now there’s only going to be the Skin Food Splash and if there’s enough demand for it I’ll put a Shave soap in the Spring schedule in time for the hot weather, but for now it can easily be paired with the traditional Bay Rum Shave Soap. 





Here’s an old friend that I’ve gotten a whole lot of requests for. Tibu Saboni  For those with Problematic Skin. This has its own unique base unlike any other ETHOS base. 



A new Tallow Shave Creme and I’m very excited about this one as I love Bergamot and I’ll go into more detail this weekend as theirs a good story behind it I think you’ll enjoy. Oh and a few upgrades to the Tallow  base that will be in all the new Shave Creme's from now on.  Of course there will be the Skin Food Splash, Lotion and Serum to start with. 

Bergamotto 



Another brand new Tallow Shave Creme and I’ll post up the Aroma Blend, again over the weekend. When I have some time to do a write up. 


Ravello 

Again it will release with the three other matching products, Splash, Lotion and Serum. Another one I’m excited about. 



Well that’s it for now. 

Great shaves all.

Frank, 2 questions.....1) Can you set aside a set of the traditional Bay Rum and the Tropical Version SFS so I don't miss them and 2) What's an Ipdate ?  Big Grin Take Care you BUSY man !

LMAO!  I didn’t catch that but will edit it now.  My cell is a mini and I need a bigger keyboard as I make to many mistakes.

An yes just send me an email so I can keep all the pre - orders in one place. An I don’t trust my memory these days.   Big Grin

Ethosgroomingessentials@gamil.com

Thank you!

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Peachtree City, GA
Looking foreward to Tibu. Use it and share it with others having extreme skin conditions

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