#11

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Green Irish Tweed a FOUGÈRE? I don’t know about that.  I think the word FOUGÈRE and Chypre are used too lightly these days.  What’s an Oriental Fougere? Amber FOUGÈRE? Chypriental? See what I’m saying? You can’t just make an Oriental throw a couple components in and add the word FOUGÈRE.  It doesn’t work like that.  Someone get the Chatty Lux guy in here to sort this out, lol

NO, GIT is not a FOUGÈRE, the Aventus people have it wrong

Fougere is based on lavender-coumarin-oakmoss

Chypre is based on bergamot-labdanum-oakmoss


Blend three materials, which have a proven good effect together, and then make variations from there to learn more….


What makes FOUGÈRE a FOUGÈRE? 

an herbaceous note; typically lavender

something rich, creamy, or hay-like; typically tonka bean and/or coumarin

earthy, multi-faceted greenery; often in the form of an oakmoss or vetiver note and amplified by salicylates

a bright, astringent or sweet top note to cut the heaviness of the other elements; bergamot is traditional but this can vary greatly

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#12

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(04-02-2022, 12:20 AM)Moriarty Wrote: I wouldn’t call it a fougère. I like fougères.

+1

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#13

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(04-02-2022, 01:02 AM)DanLaw Wrote: Per Creed promo

Green Irish Tweed is awash with atmospheric green notes enlivened with a sea breeze and the refreshing zing of invigorating peppermint, leafy verbena and lemon. A classic trio of geranium, violet leaf and aromatic lavender fill a robust, grassy heart over a long-lasting base of distinctive woods, oakmoss and Creed’s signature note of ambergris. Florentine iris is that final magical dusting of aesthetic ambience tying the notes together with an enduring blend of nostalgia and modernity. Green Irish Tweed is fresh twist on a classic, a definitive scent for those who choose to wear something tailor made to perfection.

The Aventus ppl have it wrong.  You just can’t use fancy words and say it’s a FOUGÈRE with missing components or wrongly added components.  

“Green Irish Tweed is A FRESH TWIST ON A CLASSIC…….”

Stop right there, what do you mean “a fresh twist on a classic?” Is it a spade or is it not a spade?

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#14

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(04-02-2022, 04:01 AM)ExtraProtein Wrote: Green Irish Tweed a FOUGÈRE? I don’t know about that.  I think the word FOUGÈRE and Chypre are used too lightly these days.  What’s an Oriental Fougere? Amber FOUGÈRE? Chypriental? See what I’m saying? You can’t just make an Oriental throw a couple components in and add the word FOUGÈRE.  It doesn’t work like that.  Someone get the Chatty Lux guy in here to sort this out, lol

NO, GIT is not a FOUGÈRE, the Aventus people have it wrong

Fougere is based on lavender-coumarin-oakmoss

Chypre is based on bergamot-labdanum-oakmoss


Blend three materials, which have a proven good effect together, and then make variations from there to learn more….


What makes FOUGÈRE a FOUGÈRE? 

an herbaceous note; typically lavender

something rich, creamy, or hay-like; typically tonka bean and/or coumarin

earthy, multi-faceted greenery; often in the form of an oakmoss or vetiver note and amplified by salicylates

a bright, astringent or sweet top note to cut the heaviness of the other elements; bergamot is traditional but this can vary greatly
Yep. Exactomundo

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#15
In the end it is really just a greenish more refined take on Cool Water by Davidoff both scents done by Pierre Bourdon. I wouldn't really look on it as a simplistic formula as the man apparently worked on it for a great many years before going forward, It's a different topic but Creed is a bit of a joke for me their entire history is just fake mystique garbage.

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#16

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Peachtree City, GA
(This post was last modified: 04-02-2022, 08:12 AM by DanLaw.)
Without intending offence, stating a product must meet certain ingredient thresholds to be considered a thing is incongruous with then stating it isn't that thing having met those thresholds. 

Per Creed's blog (https://creedboutique.com/blogs/le-journ...-fragrance), GIT does in fact possess those very ingredients cited irrespective whether a retailer wants to acknowledge their presence, which is another matter.

If arguing necessity versus sufficiency, that is an entirely different argument but then specifically make it

Am inclined to stick with my original statement posited prior to reading Creed's mfr blog: it is a fougere but an evolution designed in the late 20th century.  That stated, am far from a fragrance fundamentalist being much more a secular and casual end user.

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#17

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Peachtree City, GA
(04-02-2022, 05:54 AM)WeeScott Wrote: It's a different topic but Creed is a bit of a joke for me their entire history is just fake mystique garbage.

Wisdom there but let's not limit the critique to Creed as the entire coutere industry is thus characterized truth told

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#18
(This post was last modified: 04-02-2022, 12:44 PM by Moriarty.)
The main way in which Green Irish Tweed fails to be a fougère is that the scent does not resemble a fougère scent. At all. The main things it does have in common with fougère perfumes are that it is (a) liquid, and (b) sold in a bottle.

I would just classify GIT as a green fragrance.

By the way, I find Green Irish Tweed to be unwearable, unfortunately. I do not mind the scent - except perhaps for the disappointing dry-down - but it is far, far too strong and it never fades until all your skin cells have replaced themselves. One spray of GIT is like getting a tattoo in the middle of your forehead - it is permanent and an affront to everyone you meet. I consider GIT to be one of the most vulgar perfumes ever made. Prince Charles is said to wear it - so I shall rest my case there.

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#19

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Peachtree City, GA
(This post was last modified: 04-02-2022, 01:11 PM by DanLaw.)
Well played

Disagree utterly RE GIT but well played - Charles and other royals: my perspective almost certainly far more critical and prescription harsher than yours.

Few frags have any staying power these days; those that do deserve accolades for it and forebearance in application would be an alternative perspective.

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#20

Merchant
St. Louis, MO
I referred back to the scent wheel. In an old school, strict definition, it’s not a fougere. In a looser definition, it is a “fresh” scent, of which fougere is a subdivision.
So, easier question. Is tomatoe a fruit or vegetable? Just kidding.


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