#11

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When I was young kids in 1950’s Made in Japan wss mostly junkie products. Today Japan makes great products, they came long way in 70 years.

Made my living 30 years as still Photojournalist, Canon & Nikon camera were great. Today they are better.

Think in time China will start producing more quality products.

Yaki Brushes are lots of value for price.

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#12

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(11-27-2024, 06:43 PM)DesertIguana Wrote: When I was young kids in 1950’s Made in Japan wss mostly junkie products.  Today Japan makes great products, they came long way in 70 years.

Made my living 30 years as still Photojournalist, Canon & Nikon camera were great.  Today they are better.

Think in time China will start producing more quality products.

Yaki Brushes are lots of value for price.

US Govt made our steel companies teach the Japanese how to make steel after WW2.  The Japanese government subsidized steel and that flooded the US market with lower cost Japanese cars.  Today there is a strong market for Japanese autos.  

The government of many counties has ownership in these companies.  They are happy to see the global market flooded with their products.  

Who is willing to take the bait?  Not me.

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(This post was last modified: 11-27-2024, 11:08 PM by DesertIguana. Edited 1 time in total.)
Friend worked & retired from US Steel in Pennsylvania, Chinese paid them US Steel Executives to teach their people to make steel.  So part of blame for Chinese Steel is the upper management of US Steel, who did not see writing on wall.  US Steel taught Chinese to make steel, got paid by China to do it.

Koreans also are making Steel, Mexico also.  The manufacture of Steel is a global business.

Japan has been making steel & fine knives, swords since before 1900.

Not sure the under generations of Americans would like doing the hard, dangerous work in a Steel Mill in 2024.
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There is a strong market for Japanese cars because of the quality built into them.

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(This post was last modified: 11-27-2024, 10:49 PM by dtownvino. Edited 1 time in total.)
(11-27-2024, 10:36 PM)BJP Wrote: There is a strong market for Japanese cars because of the quality built into them.

Thank W. Edwards Deming after WW2 for teaching the Japanese about quality and their government  for subsidizing steel.  40+ years later, yes their quality was very high in cars because of many things, philosophy and high production.   The rest is history.

Back to steel - US Steel taught Japan how to manufacture and raise production post WW2. 

I hope most learned this though history but since my father worked at US Steel for 30+ years in the R&D center in Monroeville, PA so I heard about the good and the bad of the steel industry as a kid.

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Along with the the fact that not one US automotive company would would adopt any of Deming’s principles. The Japanese automotive and steel industry used Deming’s statistical process control to improve their quality.

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(11-28-2024, 03:13 AM)BJP Wrote: Along with the the fact that not one US automotive company would would adopt any of Deming’s principles. The Japanese automotive and steel industry used Deming’s statistical process control to improve their quality.
Japanese think differently than Americans, they make a big deal out of what we in USA see as unimportant.  Friend worked for Canon USA in Lake Pleasant NY, he was sent to Japan for two yeaJapanese are hell bent on perfection, or getting as close to it as possible.  They are work a holies, and took chuck month to just get use to their being so OCD about minute details.

Wee in the USA could learn a lot from studying the Japanese people, how they function, snd how they go from product concept to actual item for sale.  They are not working on Designs & RD for 2026 Car, they are working on 2036 Models.  CORRECT 10 years from NOW.

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#18
Back to the original topic.....I am conflicted about the cheap Chinese copies. On the one hand, I don't really have a problem with generic versions of expensive fragrances, watches, costume jewelry, etc. provided that it is clear to the consumer that it is a "dup", clone, etc. OTOH, I understand the innovation incentive provided by exclusivity. I am never going to buy a $200.00 razor handle. But, I would buy a duplicate or homage version.

I guess it is up to the manufacturers to obtain design patents, etc. and then decide if they want to license a down market homage product, e.g. Tudor watches?

Not sure how I come out on this.

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#19

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Well if it was not for component in most Car & Trucks, if you remove the Chinese Component most Car & Truck with not run.


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