CarbonShavingCo. New company & razor in the works....

Thanks Andrew...the bag we ship the razor with in the tube is a "burlap" bag. The reason we chose this material is because it is breathable, biodegradable and absorbs moisture/oil. The material is course but we did not believe it would scratch the surface...if it does this would be very helpful information.

One suggestion, if "ShaveSymptomatic" is OK, would be for us to ship a new razor to him for comparison? We would like to include a prepaid package for him to ship the "old" unit back to us for inspection and review. The new unit would continue in the pass around. Please note our intent would NOT be to cherry pick a new one that is "perfect" but send a unit that is indicative of what we offer...hence we send it to ShaveSymptomatic vs sending it to the next person on the pass around.

In addition to hand sanding, machine sanding, 3 stage buffing, hand polishing we also elected to electropolish the cap, this significantly increases corrosion protection and smooths the surface of "micro-peaks and valleys" so it can be easily cleaned. The trade off is, it can show "scratches" especially when magnified(and photographed)

"ShaveSymptomatic" if you are OK with this could you PM your address?

thanks for the reply!

Thanks Andrew...the bag we ship the razor with in the tube is a "burlap" bag. The reason we chose this material is because it is breathable, biodegradable and absorbs moisture/oil. The material is course but we did not believe it would scratch the surface...if it does this would be very helpful information.

One suggestion, if "ShaveSymptomatic" is OK, would be for us to ship a new razor to him for comparison? We would like to include a prepaid package for him to ship the "old" unit back to us for inspection and review. The new unit would continue in the pass around. Please note our intent would NOT be to cherry pick a new one that is "perfect" but send a unit that is indicative of what we offer...hence we send it to ShaveSymptomatic vs sending it to the next person on the pass around.

In addition to hand sanding, machine sanding, 3 stage buffing, hand polishing we also elected to electropolish the cap, this significantly increases corrosion protection and smooths the surface of "micro-peaks and valleys" so it can be easily cleaned. The trade off is, it can show "scratches" especially when magnified(and photographed)

"ShaveSymptomatic" if you are OK with this could you PM your address?

Thanks for that information. That is quite the process to finish the razor and it is still not a mirror, admittedly. I'm curious if the process is done in house?

Another artisan posted some photos of a what appeared to be a bolt carrier for a rifle. He subbed his polishing out to this outfit who claims to have a 2 step process, as I recall, to achieve a perfect mirror on S.St'l. In your research, did you delve into firearm polishers at all?



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Second shave tonight, and completely dialed in. Got the correct angle for WTG and ATG. No blade feel, no whiskers. I was able to get away with a two pass BBS with a dry touch up on just two areas. The handle still required some attention as I had to pay very close attention to what part I was gripping. The shave went so well that tomorrow I will begin comparing shaves with some other razors. I will be shaving half my face with the CX and the other half with a different one. I will be starting off with my CG brass Lvl2 SB with a stainless steel head.

We do out-source some of the finishing such as the electropolishing. The skills to do this well are very specialized. All our sourcing is done locally right here in the Minneapolis area(with in 20 miles). We do this for quality control, maintain a direct face-to-face relationship, we subscribe to supporting local business and it also allows us to tap into the very specialized skill set that Minneapolis attracts..

One of the benefits of being in Minnesota/Minneapolis is there is a thriving medical device industry with such companies as Medtronics, 3M, Boston Scientific, St. Jude Medical, just to name a few...this attracts smaller companies who support them and who have specialties.

Most of the smaller shops locally specialize in medical devices and military contracts(fire arms is included here) another "finishing industry" is hot rods/automotive however these tend to be one-off work for them where a company will send in 1 manifold or exhaust to be polished. Another local company Magnum Research who makes the "Desert Eagle" has some very interesting finishing, they recently announced moving their production to USA/locally(from Israel...we think). It becomes a different game when you have 1 unit that needs finishing vs +100 units. We think the best long term solution is to keep this in house...

The number of steps in finishing can be tricky and overlaps with the original machining of the piece, for example: one can minimize machine lines during CNC (increase cost) followed by less finishing steps(reduced costs)....

We think best in class is Wolfman, however as a testament to him he doesn't claim "#8 mirror" finish or "#8 Super mirror"...he states: "...nearly perfect mirror".


Thanks Loot...

We do out-source some of the finishing such as the electropolishing. The skills to do this well are very specialized. All our sourcing is done locally right here in the Minneapolis area(with in 20 miles). We do this for quality control, maintain a direct face-to-face relationship, we subscribe to supporting local business and it also allows us to tap into the very specialized skill set that Minneapolis attracts..

One of the benefits of being in Minnesota/Minneapolis is there is a thriving medical device industry with such companies as Medtronics, 3M, Boston Scientific, St. Jude Medical, just to name a few...this attracts smaller companies who support them and who have specialties.

Most of the smaller shops locally specialize in medical devices and military contracts(fire arms is included here) another "finishing industry" is hot rods/automotive however these tend to be one-off work for them where a company will send in 1 manifold or exhaust to be polished. Another local company Magnum Research who makes the "Desert Eagle" has some very interesting finishing, they recently announced moving their production to USA/locally(from Israel...we think). It becomes a different game when you have 1 unit that needs finishing vs +100 units. We think the best long term solution is to keep this in house...

The number of steps in finishing can be tricky and overlaps with the original machining of the piece, for example: one can minimize machine lines during CNC (increase cost) followed by less finishing steps(reduced costs)....

We think best in class is Wolfman, however as a testament to him he doesn't claim "#8 mirror" finish or "#8 Super mirror"...he states: "...nearly perfect mirror".


Thanks Loot...

Thanks again for your time...and education. It sounds like you guys are doing your best to do things the the right way. I hope you sell more than you can make.

Tonight's shave - CX vs CG. I selected the CG because the price of both razors were about the same, and both were excellent two pass shavers.

Since the CX was the visitor, I gave it the right side of my face. I have two major spots on my face that gives the best of my razors problems. The left side had that area under my jaw line where my hair grows in three different directions and is very coarse. The right side has a dry spot next to my mouth  where care need to be taken otherwise I end up with some irritation. While loading the blades, I noticed the first difference (which was mentioned before) that the blade ends did not stick out as far with the CG as it did with the CX  CG went first. This was with a brass Lvl2 SB base plate and the stainless steel cap. WTG pass  and everything went as expected, very smooth and minimal blade feel. The tough spot still had whiskers there, but almost every razor left the tough part after WTG. Next up was the CX, which shaved as expected from the day before. Extremely smooth and almost no feel. The tough spot was surprisingly cut down pretty well with no irritation.

ATG went well for both razors. Again like last night, the grip of the CX handle did give a slight problem This time the ATG pass under my chin felt a little aggressive and then I realized that the handle was not held correctly which did change the angle slightly. Once corrected, the shave was very smooth. Both razors shaved so cleanly that I was able to do a minimal dry touch up on each of my problem spots and ended up with a two pass BBS

So strictly shaving - slight edge goes to the CX. There was some blade feel with my CG, but absolutely none with the CX.
shaving related stuff - slight edge to the CG. It is more forgiving with the angle when shaving (although the best angle still has some blade feel). The CX has a very narrow angle where you can go from clearing lather to very aggressive very easily.
nit picky stuff that doesn't affect the shave directly - CG definite winner here with the minimal blade edge and excellent handle.

Advantage - CG by the slimmest of margins.

Tomorrow's matchup - CX vs Mamba 70 (I was originally going with the Game Changer 84, but change when I realized the CX was a phantom shaver)

Tonight's shave - CX vs CG. I selected the CG because the price of both razors were about the same, and both were excellent two pass shavers.

Since the CX was the visitor, I gave it the right side of my face. I have two major spots on my face that gives the best of my razors problems. The left side had that area under my jaw line where my hair grows in three different directions and is very coarse. The right side has a dry spot next to my mouth  where care need to be taken otherwise I end up with some irritation. While loading the blades, I noticed the first difference (which was mentioned before) that the blade ends did not stick out as far with the CG as it did with the CX  CG went first. This was with a brass Lvl2 SB base plate and the stainless steel cap. WTG pass  and everything went as expected, very smooth and minimal blade feel. The tough spot still had whiskers there, but almost every razor left the tough part after WTG. Next up was the CX, which shaved as expected from the day before. Extremely smooth and almost no feel. The tough spot was surprisingly cut down pretty well with no irritation.

ATG went well for both razors. Again like last night, the grip of the CX handle did give a slight problem This time the ATG pass under my chin felt a little aggressive and then I realized that the handle was not held correctly which did change the angle slightly. Once corrected, the shave was very smooth. Both razors shaved so cleanly that I was able to do a minimal dry touch up on each of my problem spots and ended up with a two pass BBS

So strictly shaving - slight edge goes to the CX. There was some blade feel with my CG, but absolutely none with the CX.
shaving related stuff - slight edge to the CG. It is more forgiving with the angle when shaving (although the best angle still has some blade feel). The CX has a very narrow angle where you can go from clearing lather to very aggressive very easily.
nit picky stuff that doesn't affect the shave directly - CG definite winner here with the minimal blade edge and excellent handle.

Advantage - CG by the slimmest of margins.

Tomorrow's matchup - CX vs Mamba 70 (I was originally going with the Game Changer 84, but change when I realized the CX was a phantom shaver)

The CG L2 is a fantastic shaver. It sounds like the Carbon is as well, it is keeping good company for sure.

My hesitation with the Carbon is strictly due to the lack of blade feel. I can tolerate the barbell handle, zero blade feel is an issue. If I can't feel it and know exactly where it is at all times, I struggle maintaining angle. That's not a fault of the razor either. I chalk it up to poor technique.

Thanks for the review and your time. Very helpful.

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Tonight's shave - CX vs CG. I selected the CG because the price of both razors were about the same, and both were excellent two pass shavers.

Since the CX was the visitor, I gave it the right side of my face. I have two major spots on my face that gives the best of my razors problems. The left side had that area under my jaw line where my hair grows in three different directions and is very coarse. The right side has a dry spot next to my mouth  where care need to be taken otherwise I end up with some irritation. While loading the blades, I noticed the first difference (which was mentioned before) that the blade ends did not stick out as far with the CG as it did with the CX  CG went first. This was with a brass Lvl2 SB base plate and the stainless steel cap. WTG pass  and everything went as expected, very smooth and minimal blade feel. The tough spot still had whiskers there, but almost every razor left the tough part after WTG. Next up was the CX, which shaved as expected from the day before. Extremely smooth and almost no feel. The tough spot was surprisingly cut down pretty well with no irritation.

ATG went well for both razors. Again like last night, the grip of the CX handle did give a slight problem This time the ATG pass under my chin felt a little aggressive and then I realized that the handle was not held correctly which did change the angle slightly. Once corrected, the shave was very smooth. Both razors shaved so cleanly that I was able to do a minimal dry touch up on each of my problem spots and ended up with a two pass BBS

So strictly shaving - slight edge goes to the CX. There was some blade feel with my CG, but absolutely none with the CX.
shaving related stuff - slight edge to the CG. It is more forgiving with the angle when shaving (although the best angle still has some blade feel). The CX has a very narrow angle where you can go from clearing lather to very aggressive very easily.
nit picky stuff that doesn't affect the shave directly - CG definite winner here with the minimal blade edge and excellent handle.

Advantage - CG by the slimmest of margins.

Tomorrow's matchup - CX vs Mamba 70 (I was originally going with the Game Changer 84, but change when I realized the CX was a phantom shaver)

The CG L2 is a fantastic shaver. It sounds like the Carbon is as well, it is keeping good company for sure.

My hesitation with the Carbon is strictly due to the lack of blade feel. I can tolerate the barbell handle, zero blade feel is an issue. If I can't feel it and know exactly where it is at all times, I struggle maintaining angle. That's not a fault of the razor either. I chalk it up to poor technique.

Thanks for the review and your time. Very helpful.

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I haven't posted my review yet, but I can say that there's a decent amount of blade feel. However, nothing like the blackbird.

Right on. I'll be patient. Thanks.

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Tonight's match up was between the CX and my all time phantom shaver - RR Mamba 70. The original Mamba set the bar for being a shaver where you did not even feel the blade against your ace, but after two passes, you have a near BBS. The Mamba 70 continued this shave quality, but actually gave you a two pass BBS. From my first shave with the CX I identified this quality in the CX and so the match up.

Tonight, the CX took the left side of my face and the Mamba 70 the right side. WTG pass went extremely smooth with both razors. The Mamba had the advantage of zero blade feel with the CX having just the most minimal blade feel. The pass with the CX was more efficient as the Mamba did leave slightly more stubble behind. ATG pass was also a very close match up. This time the CX and the Mamba was about even in comfort and blade feel. Again, the CX was slightly more efficient. One thing I did notice was that the CX did not clean up that spot under the left side of my chin as well as the CG did last night. The Mamba did clear up that dry spot on the right side of my mouth very easily. Both razors did such a good job that only a dry touch up was needed, however I did notice a little mor touch up on the Mamba side.

Strictly shaving - Slight advantage goes to the CX. The Mamba was a smoother shave, but the CX was more efficient.

Shaving related stuff - Tie! The Mamba had one most efficient angle that was easy to find, but the CX did allow for a more aggressive angle when needed.

I'm not going to go over the nit picky stuff again but the Mamba fully covered the blade tab and was $130 cheaper.

Advantage - CX by the slimmest of margin.

I will be ending my evaluation tomorrow night with the match up I always wanted to have since seeing the CX for the first time - my best shaving Tech (English Flat Bottom) and the CX with a Tech Fat Handle!