Brown and Other Colored Soaps and Creams

But fragrance is pretty high up on the list and it must have a pretty high vanilla content.

It must because the soap is very dark brown and even the resulting lather is brown. I bought a tub of it for my wife when it first came out. It's 1 of only 2 soaps I've ever seen the bottom of.

the packaging is required by law to include a full and complete ingredient list.  Just like what is required on food labels, listing the ingredients from greatest to smallest.  

So it shouldn't matter if it's been discontinued or not.  But sadly many do not follow the laws set for selling handmade products because they don't know or don't care.   This isn't a brand I am familiar with so my thoughts when posting was to look at the actual packaging for information.

Do you actually understand the point I am trying to make? I am not interested in dissecting the ingredients written on a label. I don't care if the manufacture uses 1% or 50% of Vanillin nor do I care to prosecute someone because as you say "because they don't know or don't care", really. I was trying to bring up a point and not create a science project. Last time, I take the time to review the soap description from the manufacture and go from there. If, they indicate it can stain I do not purchase it. And the last point in a non-scientific explanation, 50% of my soaps are non white but they produce white later.

Barrister & Mann Night Music ingredients:

Please be aware that the high levels of vanillin in Night Music soap may discolor bleached badger and boar brushes. We suggest using either unbleached brushes or synthetic fibers when using the soap.

Ingredients: Potassium Stearate, Aqua, Glycerin, Sodium Stearate, Potassium Tallowate, Sodium Tallowate, Potassium Ricinoleate, Potassium Shea Butterate, Sodium Ricinoleate, Coconut Milk, Sodium Shea Butterate, Fragrance, Carthamus tinctorius hybrid (Hybrid Safflower) Seed Oil, Potassium Palm Kernelate, Allantoin, Lanolin, Sodium Palm Kernelate, Sodium Citrate, Tocopherol Acetate, Hydrolyzed Silk Protein

Here's where I got it from. I believe it's the only place that still has some for sale.

https://www.groomatorium.com/product/bar...ving-soap/

I agree with you I just did not want to include anyones website.

But fragrance is pretty high up on the list and it must have a pretty high vanilla content.

Yes, that is the case with this soap. It’s also interesting how the surface of the soap reacts with air – the surface quickly becomes very dark after each use, while the clear jar reveals that the rest of the soap underneath the top layer is only light to medium brown.

50% of my soaps are non white but they produce white later.

I have had almost the exact same experience. I’ve used many soaps that presented various colors in solid form, but when lathered, the lather is either a pure white, or perhaps a warm white in a couple of cases.

Soaps are not covered by the F.D.A. and are not required to list ingredients.  As soon as there is a descriptive name added to soap such as "moisturizing soap" or "shaving soap" it is then covered by F.D.A. rules and regulations and as such it is required to list ingredients from largest percentage to lowest percentage and any thing below 1% can be listed in whatever order you wish using proper I.N.C.I. names for all ingredients.  In the United States you will see "fragrance" listed on products and for products using essential oils they will be listed by their proper I.N.C.I. names.  Large companies usually have access to the chemical names in their fragrances and will list them if they sell in Europe where this is required.  Small companies usually don't have that luxury of knowing what is in a fragrance!  

As far as any fragrance (or other) ingredients that may have the ability to stain, I have not seen any listings like that nor have I ever used or made a soap or shaving cream that created anything but pure white lather!  From my perspective, I would not sell anything that did as it is quite easy to locate and purchase "non-browning vanilla" fragrances.   If one is using Vanillin in that high a percentage (for a more "natural" product) that it causes either staining to someones skin or towels and facecloths, I would hope that they would reconsider their choice!  I have experienced the discoloration of soaps and creams in my business but will be reformulating at least one of my shaving creams to deal with that issue.  So far, no one has complained but I will do it anyway!  It is good that they are telling you about a product "staining" but not such a good idea to offer a product that stains!  ... Just my humble opinion!

I know some folks get bent about a lather of another colour or staining but I don't generally get fussed if its otherwise a great soap. Barrister and Mann Night Music is a great soap that I just used last week and while the lather reminds me of Wendy's chocolate Frosty Malt (it doesn't taste the same, trust me) I've never noticed any significant staining and even if it did stain my brush the discolouration washes out in a few lathers with other soaps so its only temporary. Barrister and Mann Vanille does the same thing and it too is only temporary. I don't think Night Music was discontinued per se, It was a Limited Edition and may or may not make a return. I know scent is personal but I would put Night Music among my top 5 B&M scents.

I picked up a tub of Hawaiian Shave Co soap recently https://www.canadianbladeco.com/collecti...shave-soap

Its black in the tin but the description on the website assures you that it lathers up white. Having actually lathered it, I can assure you that it lathers up dark grey. I noticed little spots of white in the lather but it was pretty much uniformly grey and not a nice grey that you'd enjoy brushing all over your face either. I can't tell you how it performs because I was lathering it to help clean the new brush smell out of a new brush and now I have no desire to put it on my face.

I know some folks get bent about a lather of another colour or staining but I don't generally get fussed if its otherwise a great soap.  Barrister and Mann Night Music is a great soap that I just used last week and while the lather reminds me of Wendy's chocolate Frosty Malt (it doesn't taste the same, trust me) I've never noticed any significant staining and even if it did stain my brush the discolouration washes out in a few lathers with other soaps so its only temporary.  Barrister and Mann Vanille does the same thing and it too is only temporary.  I don't think Night Music was discontinued per se, It was a Limited Edition and may or may not make a return.  I know scent is personal but I would put Night Music among my top 5 B&M scents.

I picked up a tub of Hawaiian Shave Co soap recently https://www.canadianbladeco.com/collecti...shave-soap

Its black in the tin but the description on the website assures you that it lathers up white.  Having actually lathered it, I can assure you that it lathers up dark grey.  I noticed little spots of white in the lather but it was pretty much uniformly grey and not a nice grey that you'd enjoy brushing all over your face either. I can't tell you how it performs because I was lathering it to help clean the new brush smell out of a new brush and now I have no desire to put it on my face.

Yes I agree about Night Music. I probably should said it is not currently being produced as opposed to being discontinued as we might see it again next year. Also good reply.

Soaps are not covered by the F.D.A. and are not required to list ingredients.  As soon as there is a descriptive name added to soap such as "moisturizing soap" or "shaving soap" it is then covered by F.D.A. rules and regulations and as such it is required to list ingredients from largest percentage to lowest percentage and any thing below 1% can be listed in whatever order you wish using proper I.N.C.I. names for all ingredients.  In the United States you will see "fragrance" listed on products and for products using essential oils they will be listed by their proper I.N.C.I. names.  Large companies usually have access to the chemical names in their fragrances and will list them if they sell in Europe where this is required.  Small companies usually don't have that luxury of knowing what is in a fragrance!  

As far as any fragrance (or other) ingredients that may have the ability to stain, I have not seen any listings like that nor have I ever used or made a soap or shaving cream that created anything but pure white lather!  From my perspective, I would not sell anything that did as it is quite easy to locate and purchase "non-browning vanilla" fragrances.   If one is using Vanillin in that high a percentage (for a more "natural" product) that it causes either staining to someones skin or towels and facecloths, I would hope that they would reconsider their choice!  I have experienced the discoloration of soaps and creams in my business but will be reformulating at least one of my shaving creams to deal with that issue.  So far, no one has complained but I will do it anyway!  It is good that they are telling you about a product "staining" but not such a good idea to offer a product that stains!  ... Just my humble opinion!

I am not sure what you mean when you say "I have not seen any listings like that". If you mean listings from the manufacture that the soap stains yes there are. They are including that in the soap description so the potential buyer will know. The biggest problem is not the stained towels because it typically washes out but it may stain a natural hair brush. However, if you use a synthetic brush there is not problem.

Soaps are not covered by the F.D.A. and are not required to list ingredients.  As soon as there is a descriptive name added to soap such as "moisturizing soap" or "shaving soap" it is then covered by F.D.A. rules and regulations and as such it is required to list ingredients from largest percentage to lowest percentage and any thing below 1% can be listed in whatever order you wish using proper I.N.C.I. names for all ingredients.  In the United States you will see "fragrance" listed on products and for products using essential oils they will be listed by their proper I.N.C.I. names.  Large companies usually have access to the chemical names in their fragrances and will list them if they sell in Europe where this is required.  Small companies usually don't have that luxury of knowing what is in a fragrance!  

As far as any fragrance (or other) ingredients that may have the ability to stain, I have not seen any listings like that nor have I ever used or made a soap or shaving cream that created anything but pure white lather!  From my perspective, I would not sell anything that did as it is quite easy to locate and purchase "non-browning vanilla" fragrances.   If one is using Vanillin in that high a percentage (for a more "natural" product) that it causes either staining to someones skin or towels and facecloths, I would hope that they would reconsider their choice!  I have experienced the discoloration of soaps and creams in my business but will be reformulating at least one of my shaving creams to deal with that issue.  So far, no one has complained but I will do it anyway!  It is good that they are telling you about a product "staining" but not such a good idea to offer a product that stains!  ... Just my humble opinion!

I am not sure what you mean when you say "I have not seen any listings like that".  If you mean listings from the manufacture that the soap stains yes there are.  They are including that in the soap description so the potential buyer will know.  The biggest problem is not the stained towels because it typically washes out but it may stain a natural hair brush.  However, if you use a synthetic brush there is not problem.

Yeah a warning sounds good to me.  When I just received the Drunken Goat from Mickey Lee Soapworks, it was an intense dark soap.  It smells INCREDIBLE though.  Unfortunately, I own one synthetic and the other 10 brushes I have are all 2-band badger brushes with very white tips.  So I'm not going to be able to use those brushes with this soap, or some other brown ones I have (Pannacrema Nuavia Blu).  I need to pick up another synthetic or a cheap boar to use with these I guess.

Soaps are not covered by the F.D.A. and are not required to list ingredients.  As soon as there is a descriptive name added to soap such as "moisturizing soap" or "shaving soap" it is then covered by F.D.A. rules and regulations and as such it is required to list ingredients from largest percentage to lowest percentage and any thing below 1% can be listed in whatever order you wish using proper I.N.C.I. names for all ingredients.  In the United States you will see "fragrance" listed on products and for products using essential oils they will be listed by their proper I.N.C.I. names.  Large companies usually have access to the chemical names in their fragrances and will list them if they sell in Europe where this is required.  Small companies usually don't have that luxury of knowing what is in a fragrance!  

As far as any fragrance (or other) ingredients that may have the ability to stain, I have not seen any listings like that nor have I ever used or made a soap or shaving cream that created anything but pure white lather!  From my perspective, I would not sell anything that did as it is quite easy to locate and purchase "non-browning vanilla" fragrances.   If one is using Vanillin in that high a percentage (for a more "natural" product) that it causes either staining to someones skin or towels and facecloths, I would hope that they would reconsider their choice!  I have experienced the discoloration of soaps and creams in my business but will be reformulating at least one of my shaving creams to deal with that issue.  So far, no one has complained but I will do it anyway!  It is good that they are telling you about a product "staining" but not such a good idea to offer a product that stains!  ... Just my humble opinion!

I am not sure what you mean when you say "I have not seen any listings like that".  If you mean listings from the manufacture that the soap stains yes there are.  They are including that in the soap description so the potential buyer will know.  The biggest problem is not the stained towels because it typically washes out but it may stain a natural hair brush.  However, if you use a synthetic brush there is not problem.

Yeah a warning sounds good to me.  When I just received the Drunken Goat from Mickey Lee Soapworks, it was an intense dark soap.  It smells INCREDIBLE though.  Unfortunately, I own one synthetic and the other 10 brushes I have are all 2-band badger brushes with very white tips.  So I'm not going to be able to use those brushes with this soap, or some other brown ones I have (Pannacrema Nuavia Blu).  I need to pick up another synthetic or a cheap boar to use with these I guess.

Have had Pannacreama Blue and Rossa for over a year.  I used Blu yesterday it does not stain because it lathers white.  Not all dark brown soap stains.