A serious question on Soap/Cream Reviews

Freddy, no worries.

Grim, that's why I responded. Tried over 100 soaps over 20 years. Get specific or should I just be vague?

CRSW became average to me, B&M the same. Loved Mike's but there are now better offerings. I don't get the love for Mystic Water at all. Michelle is very nice but the lather and fragrance oils just don't work.

American soap makers who call themselves artisans, for the most part, over scent their soaps to match the French whorehouses we walked in then out of during duty. They try too hard and it's beginning to show.

I don't get it. Make your negative reviews and publish them. What's the problem?

You call YMMV a crutch here and a myth elsewhere, and you seem intent on accusing you tubers of wrongdoing because they don't do what you want them to do.

So what do you want? You want negative reviews? Post them! You want negative you tubers? Become one!

I don't see the point in 19 pages of griping because someone else isn't doing what you want to see done, and becoming my downright accusatory because of it. At different times you have referred to the process as deceitful and that's just plain rude, if you ask me...

You're a big boy with plenty of experience and an Internet connection. Be the change you want to see. Create a blog, start a YouTube channel and get the negativity out there for everyone else to enjoy...

It's all on you...


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They try too hard and it's beginning to show.

What drives me crazy is the constant reformulations from many of them. You need a scorecard or wiki to figure out which soap you have.

Yeah, learning on the job is admirable but not at the expense of customers. Thank God their not the Wright Brothers.

American soap makers who call themselves artisans, for the most part, over scent their soaps to match the French whorehouses we walked in then out of during duty. They try too hard and it's beginning to show.

Yeah, learning on the job is admirable but not at the expense of customers. Thank God their not the Wright Brothers.

Hey, Max, ease up.  It's okay for you to not like a product.  However, some of your last few statements (comparing some artisan scents to "French whorehouses" or being thankful they're not the Wright brothers, and what that insinuates) really are nasty yet it accomplishes nothing.  If you have specifics then great.  Post them in a civil way.  Rude generalities such as you are tossing around accomplish absolutely nothing.

For me, an example would be Mitchells Wool Fat.  It is loved by many but I do not particularly care for it and believe I have stated as such here.  I do not particularly care for the scent and I have a difficult time lathering it.  Scent, as I have stated, is too personal to even argue the point.  Several members have posted helpful tips on how to get a great lather from it.  However, I ultimately decided that there are too many other soaps and creams that do more for me so I don't bother with the Fat anymore.  I didn't have to be rude about either what I thought of the scent or the fact that I found it difficult to lather.

Freddy, no worries.

Grim, that's why I responded. Tried over 100 soaps over 20 years. Get specific or should I just be vague?

CRSW became average to me, B&M the same. Loved Mike's but there are now better offerings. I don't get the love for Mystic Water at all. Michelle is very nice but the lather and fragrance oils just don't work.

American soap makers who call themselves artisans, for the most part, over scent their soaps to match the French whorehouses we walked in then out of during duty. They try too hard and it's beginning to show.

I guess I don't know much about soaps, then.

Cheshire, Latha & Cologne Russe.

CRSW V1 & V2 and Oliva.

I find them both overrated & overhyped.

An open Forum is open. Nothing against either soap, just better available.

CRSW & B&M overrated

Sacrilege & blasphemy

Where do you live, I'm an Internet keyboard warrior, and I can't tolerate such freedom of speech.....

Just kidding

Surprised you consider them overrated. For my skin and stiff beard type they both are top products.

CRSW v2 is actually among the very best shaving soaps, that I have ever used, this compared to my 3 Nuavia's, SDM, 6 SDV Bon Berger, 3 MDC, 7 LPL, 11 Tabula Rasa, 7 Sapo Varesino, 2 Valobra Czech & Speak, 5 Klar Seifen, 2 ABC, Boellis Panama, 3 Castle Forbes, 2 Valobra AOS, Tabac, MWF, I Coloniali, 7 DR HARRIS and lots of more great soaps.

I have yet to try the new B&M glissant base soap. But B&M stands for me as very very high performing scent-advanced slick easy to lather shaving soap.

And I don't consider myself a fanboy. I have paid full price for all my 24 B&M soaps and all my 22 CRSW soaps !!

I actually posted a rather harsh negative review of my first 3 B&M shaving soaps on TSN. I was very disappointed in the scents, the containers and overall presentation.
At that time I didn't realise that I would go on to love B&M soaps for their advanced scent profile, ease of lathering and all around high quality performance.

I have also posted a very negative review of the Lea Classic shaving soap.

Before I learned to lather MWF, I have also posted a very bitter negative review of MWF - 2-3 years ago.

Come to think of it I also made a very negative review of the new 2014 version of Acca Kappa 1868 almond croap. The 2012 Acca Kappa 1869 croap can compete with ABC, Boellis and the finest almond soaps out there, but the new reformulation is a gooey mess of croap, that disappointed me very much (glad I still have 90% left of the old version)

I think I have posted my good deal of negative bitter reviews.
Most YouTube shavers are rather inexperienced shavers, and I rely only only on a very select few (Nick Shaves is okay, though he still lacks experience with real luxury products, The Stallion is okay, but all soaps work for him, so his opinion is borderline useless to viewers and he can't accept the fact that Saville Row is made 110% by Shavemac, he also lacks experience with high end badgers, TSE is okay, but he has very light beard, PaulH is awesome because he's so honest and just a nice person - the rest are really just a bunch of YES pleasers with rather limited experience, IMHO)

Only YouTube reviewer, I REALLY respect is GeoFatboy. Problem with him is he owns a shaving shop, so he can't really deliver honest reviews. I still respect him, but I don't take his advice seriously. Never did. Never will.

My apologies Freddy. I just know about the smear campaign both artisans used. It was awful. Let's move on.

My apologies Freddy. I just know about the smear campaign both artisans used. It was awful. Let's move on.

Here is another of those situations...What you "know" has already been cleared up as not only erroneous, but just made-up nonsense started by someone that did not know what they were talking about...yet you still refer to it as a "smear campaign" that you "know about"...

This is the type of stuff that gets under my skin because frankly, the artisans do not deserve to be dragged down due to someone else's petty nonsense. Will has already told you, IN THIS TOPIC, that what you believe occurred was a complete misrepresentation of facts by someone else.

Stop calling it a "smear campaign by the artisans". Call it what it was...nonsense started by a jaded forum member...

Of course, now I'll be called a B&M and CRSW fanboy, despite not owning ANY of their products, right?