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(07-03-2021, 04:51 AM)Calm_Shaver Wrote: So I watched this video review on the Tube today and this reviewer called Sailor 21 razor “Toothy”, huh?!?!?

1st, I had never heard a razor being described as “Toothy”. 2nd, the reviewer made it sound as being as aggressive as a R41. Maybe he made the “toothy” remark as to convey that it’s very prone to biting. Is there any truth to this???

I thought its as smooth as a Wolfman Wr2 with high gap POWER!

As always YMMV but he made it seem like an uncomfortable shave. He is honest at least I’ll give him that but the term “toothy” can confuse his audience. It’s the same for aggressive vs blade feel. I like the term blade feel better because aggresion can differ from person to person.
Toothy. Really bad choice of words. I still scratch my head trying to figure it out. That was actually my prototype Sailor. John sent me his Muramasa.

John is apparently a low blade feel guy. So I understand why he may prefer the M. The M is a good razor, it isn't in the same league as a 2021 Sailor tho, for me. I don’t mind blade feel as long as it is smooth and not harsh like a 2011 R41 or an iKon Tek, for the most part.

John is the only guy I've run across that was less impressed with the razor than me. The 2021 Sailor is at the top of my list and I know lots of guys that feel the same...and they have extensive collections. My guess, like Mr. Tester mentioned, is that John isn't experienced with heavy razors and just doesn't understand the slight adjustments needed to wield one. Especially a heavy razor that can be opened up like the 21 Sailor.

I was probably the first to make the WR2 comparison because I had my prototypes of the 20 and 21s for several weeks before I could make that public knowledge. I also have what some may consider a pretty damned good WR2 collection, in SS and Ti.

I still stand by the assertion that the 21 Sailor can do everything a .95 to 1.65 WR2 can do, and more. It will do it just as well, if not better. I think other reviews here on DFS substantiate the claim.

If you can get past the weight and size of the head, it will likely be the best razor in your den. If you want ghost blade feel and shave everyday, the Muramasa is likely a better choice although it has it's own quirks that would make it a no go for me. Top setting of 5 on a Muramasa is like a 3.5 on the Sailor and the Sailor is just getting warmed up at 3.5.

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#392
(This post was last modified: 07-03-2021, 01:20 PM by LOOT.)
(07-03-2021, 05:17 AM)Entasis Wrote:
(07-02-2021, 04:32 AM)JoeLr Wrote: However, I am sticking to my guns and holding out for a ti version…
Me too. Plus, I would like the ability to once again be able to disassemble it, like the original B&R Adjustable.
User serviceability is a perk, not a requirement. If you employ a good cleaning regime, that Sailor will shave you, your son, and his son, without ever needing to be taken apart. Just look at the majority of Gillette's. They are still running strong 70+ years later...and they are razors that can be disassembled but most guys would never try.

I got over the lack of user serviceability and choose to clean it thoroughly after each use, blow it dry, and let it sit upside down with the cap off to drain the barrel.

Curiosity will get the better of me one day and I will strip a Sailor. My guess is a DFS acquaintance of mine will break his down based off the info I provided. Time will tell. I dont think it is that hard to do, but I do think it is also easy to brick one if you put it back together wrong.

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#393
(07-03-2021, 01:12 PM)LOOT Wrote:
(07-03-2021, 05:17 AM)Entasis Wrote:
(07-02-2021, 04:32 AM)JoeLr Wrote: However, I am sticking to my guns and holding out for a ti version…
Me too. Plus, I would like the ability to once again be able to disassemble it, like the original B&R Adjustable.
User serviceability is a perk, not a requirement. If you employ a good cleaning regime, that Sailor will shave you, your son, and his son, without ever needing to be taken apart. Just look at the majority of Gillette's. They are still running strong 70+ years later...and they are razors that can be disassembled but most guys would never try.

I got over the lack of user serviceability and choose to clean it thoroughly after each use, blow it dry, and let it sit upside down with the cap off to drain the barrel.

Curiosity will get the better of me one day and I will strip a Sailor. My guess is a DFS acquaintance of mine will break his down based off the info I provided. Time will tell. I dont think it is that hard to do, but I do think it is also easy to brick one if you put it back together wrong.

Loot, how do you blow dry it, with a blow dryer. I thought if my air tank hose was in the house is use it,  and figured key board compressed air was a bad idea.

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            Keith
#394
(07-03-2021, 01:32 PM)keto Wrote:
(07-03-2021, 01:12 PM)LOOT Wrote:
(07-03-2021, 05:17 AM)Entasis Wrote: Me too. Plus, I would like the ability to once again be able to disassemble it, like the original B&R Adjustable.
User serviceability is a perk, not a requirement. If you employ a good cleaning regime, that Sailor will shave you, your son, and his son, without ever needing to be taken apart. Just look at the majority of Gillette's. They are still running strong 70+ years later...and they are razors that can be disassembled but most guys would never try.

I got over the lack of user serviceability and choose to clean it thoroughly after each use, blow it dry, and let it sit upside down with the cap off to drain the barrel.

Curiosity will get the better of me one day and I will strip a Sailor. My guess is a DFS acquaintance of mine will break his down based off the info I provided. Time will tell. I dont think it is that hard to do, but I do think it is also easy to brick one if you put it back together wrong.

Loot, how do you blow dry it, with a blow dryer. I thought if my air tank hose was in the house is use it,  and figured key board compressed air was a bad idea.
Mostly my mouth. I do use keyboard cans tho. Why would that be a bad idea? Talk to me brother.

I think the blowing is overkill tho. Clean it, wipe it dry, stand on its head is really all that needs to be done.

Most Gillette's ive seen that are locked up are from Ronco shavers that allow soap scum to build under the plate which eventually locks up the adjustment mechanism. My Chrome Toggle was like that. After soaking, some pipe cleaners, and a computer duster, the mechanism worked. I was kinda shocked. All that neglect and the internals were still good enough to work.

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#395
(This post was last modified: 07-03-2021, 07:16 PM by keto.)
(07-03-2021, 01:43 PM)LOOT Wrote:
(07-03-2021, 01:32 PM)keto Wrote:
(07-03-2021, 01:12 PM)LOOT Wrote: User serviceability is a perk, not a requirement. If you employ a good cleaning regime, that Sailor will shave you, your son, and his son, without ever needing to be taken apart. Just look at the majority of Gillette's. They are still running strong 70+ years later...and they are razors that can be disassembled but most guys would never try.

I got over the lack of user serviceability and choose to clean it thoroughly after each use, blow it dry, and let it sit upside down with the cap off to drain the barrel.

Curiosity will get the better of me one day and I will strip a Sailor. My guess is a DFS acquaintance of mine will break his down based off the info I provided. Time will tell. I dont think it is that hard to do, but I do think it is also easy to brick one if you put it back together wrong.

Loot, how do you blow dry it, with a blow dryer. I thought if my air tank hose was in the house is use it,  and figured key board compressed air was a bad idea.
Mostly my mouth. I do use keyboard cans tho. Why would that be a bad idea? Talk to me brother.

I think the blowing is overkill tho. Clean it, wipe it dry, stand on its head is really all that needs to be done.

Most Gillette's ive seen that are locked up are from Ronco shavers that allow soap scum to build under the plate which eventually locks up the adjustment mechanism. My Chrome Toggle was like that.  After soaking, some pipe cleaners, and a computer duster, the mechanism worked. I was kinda shocked. All that neglect and the internals were still good enough to work.

Yeah I blow through mine with my mouth too.
I don't know much about the computer keyboard spray air, but seemed like when I've used them on keyboard s it was almost like a moist air that had to dry for a couple of seconds. Maybe somebody that knows why that is conclude me in, might be exactly what to use.

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#396
(07-03-2021, 01:56 PM)keto Wrote:
(07-03-2021, 01:43 PM)LOOT Wrote:
(07-03-2021, 01:32 PM)keto Wrote: Loot, how do you blow dry it, with a blow dryer. I thought if my air tank hose was in the house is use it,  and figured key board compressed air was a bad idea.
Mostly my mouth. I do use keyboard cans tho. Why would that be a bad idea? Talk to me brother.

I think the blowing is overkill tho. Clean it, wipe it dry, stand on its head is really all that needs to be done.

Most Gillette's ive seen that are locked up are from Ronco shavers that allow soap scum to build under the plate which eventually locks up the adjustment mechanism. My Chrome Toggle was like that.  After soaking, some pipe cleaners, and a computer duster, the mechanism worked. I was kinda shocked. All that neglect and the internals were still good enough to work.

Yeah I blow mine off with my mouth too.
I don't know much about the computer keyboard spray air, but seemed like when I've used them on keyboard s it was almost like a moist air that had to dry for a couple of seconds. Maybe somebody that knows why that is conclude me in, might be exactly what to use.
I see, the duster does come out very cold and forms some condensation.

On the 21 you can blow down the barrel with your mouth and water will come out the joint at the adjustment dial. That seems good enough for me. Interesting, the 20 model doesn't work the same. It's joint is tight.

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#397

Snuff
Belgium
the canned air spray will distribute the liquid inside if not kept completely upright.

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#398
I always blow mine out with my mouth after thorough rinse and cleaning. Then I let
It sit at an angle so that air can dry out anything else through that hole. I do the same thing with my 2020 and 2019. No issues whatsoever and mine stay clean!


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#399
(07-03-2021, 02:02 PM)LOOT Wrote:
(07-03-2021, 01:56 PM)keto Wrote:
(07-03-2021, 01:43 PM)LOOT Wrote: Mostly my mouth. I do use keyboard cans tho. Why would that be a bad idea? Talk to me brother.

I think the blowing is overkill tho. Clean it, wipe it dry, stand on its head is really all that needs to be done.

Most Gillette's ive seen that are locked up are from Ronco shavers that allow soap scum to build under the plate which eventually locks up the adjustment mechanism. My Chrome Toggle was like that.  After soaking, some pipe cleaners, and a computer duster, the mechanism worked. I was kinda shocked. All that neglect and the internals were still good enough to work.

Yeah I blow mine off with my mouth too.
I don't know much about the computer keyboard spray air, but seemed like when I've used them on keyboard s it was almost like a moist air that had to dry for a couple of seconds. Maybe somebody that knows why that is conclude me in, might be exactly what to use.
I see, the duster does come out very cold and forms some condensation.

On the 21 you can blow down the barrel with your mouth and water will come out the joint at the adjustment dial. That seems good enough for me. Interesting, the 20 model doesn't work the same. It's joint is tight.

Might be just condensation with the air duster, I didn't know.
  Good to know good ways to take care of these nice razors. 
  I too started leaving mine leaning head down to dry,the from somebody's picture on here.

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(07-03-2021, 02:04 PM)Snuff Wrote: the canned air spray will distribute the liquid inside if not kept completely upright.

Aah, might have been my user technique of tilting the can to get it sprayed on a keyboard or whatever.

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