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(11-27-2019, 05:37 PM)giova1949 Wrote: Since my account arrives (tell me when you will come, tell me when) I will change the initial request and ask for a WR2 1.55, I would like to be sure to choose the right one, between all SB or DC.

So I remind those who used both SB and OC, especially if 1.55 or neighbors, that they wanted to be kind enough to express an opinion on it. If I remember well in the past, it was written that while for WR1 the difference between sb and oc is marked, it is not for WR2. Thanks
Giovanni
I've got a DC WR2 1.15 OC and 1.25 SB. I've also got a WR2 1.25 OC. I'm convinced, from using various DCs, OCs, and SBs, that the OC will be up to a blade gap more aggressive than the SB.

I know others disagree with that, but my CG DC Lv 2, my WR2 DC feel that way to me. If my number ever finally comes up I'm going DC 1.55, and I'm betting the OC side will be a new experience. 

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.  Smile
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(This post was last modified: 11-27-2019, 06:22 PM by Valkyrie.)
(11-27-2019, 05:27 PM)CK89 Wrote:  If you are fine with different gaps both side, you can order 1.35/1.55 SB.

 Thanks for the suggestion. I did think about that. But I like to shift sides when I’m shaving: when one side gets clogged with lather, I change sides instead of rinsing. I rinse only once both sides are saturated. I feel this is more efficient (Time wise) than shaving from a single edge. I won’t be able to achieve this efficiency if I had dual gaps on a single head. Therefore, I decided against going that route.

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#2,593
(This post was last modified: 11-27-2019, 06:54 PM by Starman.)
I like how peoples techiniques differ which in turn effects the razor choice,
A Very important part of the final individual razor decision.....
For me,......the daily 3 pass plus buffing morphed into 48hrs & a couple of very efficient passes & no or minimum touch ups, a great BBS and superb skin condition.
The right tool for the job applies to each of us....YMMV......Cool
#2,594

Just Here for the Shaves
Williamsburg, KY
(11-27-2019, 01:51 PM)Dragonsbeard Wrote:
(11-27-2019, 01:44 PM)Dave in KY Wrote: No worries Dragonsbeard Just didn't want to look knowledgeable  on anything I've never tried  Big Grin Happy2

Thanks my friend and let me know if you do ever want to take one of them for a ride!  I'd be glad to send one your way.  Happy2
Frank WOW, thanks and while very appreciative of your generous offer, I'll pass.........at least for now. No need building a desire for a purchase that will probably never come to fruition. Thanks again my friend.

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This post by Dave in KY mentions views and opinions expressed and makes it known that they are "those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of DFS or any other member, agency, organization, employer or company."  Big Grin
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(This post was last modified: 11-28-2019, 11:24 AM by Starman.)
THE WOLFMAN WR2: THE BEST ADJUSTABLE RAZOR EVER MADE......

So, why is the the Wr2 the best adjustable razor ever made?

Does it have a knob? No
Is the gap adjustable? No
Does it have different base plates? No

So, here is a simple explanation in the spirit of helping people choose the perfect Wr2 razor.

For the sake of simple explanation I shall use made up roughly aligned numbers in line with the mechanical facts to keep the Maths understandable.

So, the Wr2, a superbly designed razor initially deemed too inefficient by many.
Lets take that theory apart now…..
The original Wr2 was designed with the perfect 3 pass shave in mind to suit most people’s daily routine (my take) but with a really superbly designed geometry.
So based on the razor geometry lets say for example that the 0.95 gap has an ideal handle to skin shave angle of 45*, with a margin of shave error at 5* steeper at 40* or 5* shallower at 50* yet still giving a great mild shave & taking into account driver error, this gives an operating window of 10*.
THEN: THE OPPOSITE END OF THE SPECTRUM.
Go to the current max of 1.55 blade gap. Mechanical fact & consideration needs to be applied here.
The mechanical fact is:
The head of the razor of the 1.55 is exactly the same as the 0.95, & so is the blade exposure, the only difference is that the blade GAP between the two has been opened up, with the 1.55 more skin is exposed to the blade due to the larger gap, also the shave angle has now changed in turn exposing a little more blade, now to get the full benefit of the 1.55 the razor handle now drops for example to 60* opening the blade to skin exposure, there is now an effective shave angle of 40* to 65* giving a shave window of 25* which is more than double that of the 0.95, however in doing this the smoothness shall decline relative to handle angle towards the 60* angle because the optimum blade to skin angle has been compromised, thus anyone can get a great shave in theory, however not necessarily the optimum shave.
Now, only if the driver is holding the razor angle at 60* shall the full benefit of the 1.55 be realised. Raising the handle back to the original 45* will give a mild ‘less efficient’ shave for buffing in line with the original 0.95 gap.
An example here would be that if a user shaved with a curved sweep then the whole spectrum from 0.95 to 1.55 efficiency could take place between the handle angles of 40* to 65* leading to varied results.......lazy shave syndrome.....

So in the Wolfman Wr2 high gap razor there is the opportunity to have every razor efficiency for those who are skilled enough in driving it through every angle, the same mechanical fact applies to medium gapped Wr2 razors but lessening the shave window further, though mostly noticeable on multi days growth at maximum afficiency/blade gap.
Hence:
THE BEST ADJUSTABLE RAZOR EVER MADE.
The question is not so much the gap but the needs of the driver, to wield such a razor every shave gap/angle is available based on skill.
Can a 1.55 Wr2 be used as a daily driver? Hell yea if you can control blade/handle angle, both maximum efficiency and mildest buffing efficiency can be achieved with one razor…..
In the vein of LORD OF THE RINGS………ONE RAZOR TO RULE THEM ALL

As always of course, shave results shall be dependant on personal skills YMMV…….


I hope this is useful info for y’all.......... Cool

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(This post was last modified: 11-27-2019, 10:18 PM by Dragonsbeard.)
(11-27-2019, 04:53 PM)Valkyrie Wrote:
(11-27-2019, 09:04 AM)Dragonsbeard Wrote: I have the RS10 with both mild & AP and I have a WR2 DC 1.25/1.35 in Ti with a WR2 DC 1.45/1.55 also in Ti being shipped tomorrow so if you want me to do a side by side using any of the gaps I’ve mentioned I’d be glad to if it would help you to decide which WR2 gap would be a bit more efficient and without sacrificing to much of the smoothness your used to with the RS 10.  It would give me a reason to do a side by side comparison.  I can say only by memory ( which I don’t really like to go by as a side by side gives me a much clearer comparison)  that my 1.35 SB Ti is definitely more efficient than the RS 10 AP and it is smooth but not as smooth as the RS 10 so it may fit your needs as you said you don’t mind giving up a little smoothness for additional efficiency and that’s pretty much what you’d get with a 1.35 SB.  Again this is from memory and a side by side may change all that. 

Let me know.

Wow!
That is very kind of you Dragonsbeard and I would gladly take you up on your generous offer! 

The blade gap of 1.35 has been mentioned a couple of times in relation to its proximity to the RS10 AP in comfort but with added efficiency. At the same time, two gents here have said that, in their experience, the sacrifice in comfort is minimal when going all the way up to 1.55 but with a HUGE gain in efficiency.

So, what I would ideally like to determine is whether the GAIN in efficiency when going from 1.35 to 1.55 is worth the LOSS in comfort when making the same transition. Obviously this would be a highly subjective measure, but your opinion on it would be very valuable to me.

To this end, at the risk of sounding like I am taking advantage of your kindness, may I ask you to do two side by sides, please? One would compare RS10 to 1.35 and the other would compare RS10 to 1.55. I’m not sure whether you’d need a third (1.35 vs 1.55) to arrive at a solid conclusion, but I will leave that entirely up to you.  Smile

Many thanks for all your help!

Valkyrie
I’d be glad to and I also planned on going through a bunch of razors I have that are considered either very efficient or the new word/category being thrown around called “ Hyper Efficient “ and do some comparison Shave Offs as I have a strong personal curiosity about these 2 categories of razors and would like to update my opinions on all of them on what’s gained or lost by using each one of them. So no problem sir.

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Member
Southern US
(This post was last modified: 11-28-2019, 01:44 AM by Whisk-her Away.)
(11-27-2019, 08:40 PM)Starman Wrote: THE WOLFMAN WR2: THE BEST ADJUSTABLE RAZOR EVER MADE......

So, why is the the Wr2 the best adjustable razor ever made?

Does it have a knob? No
Is the gap adjustable? No
Does it have different base plates? No

So, here is a simple explanation in the spirit of helping people choose the perfect Wr2 razor.

For the sake of simple explanation I shall use made up roughly aligned numbers in line with the mechanical facts to keep the Maths understandable.

So, the Wr2, a superbly designed razor initially deemed too inefficient by many.
Lets take that theory apart now…..
The original Wr2 was designed with the perfect 3 pass shave in mind to suit most people’s daily routine (my take) but with a really superbly designed geometry.
So based on the razor geometry lets say for example that the 0.95 gap has an ideal handle to skin shave angle of 45*, with a margin of shave error at 5* steeper at 40* or 5* shallower at 50* yet still giving a great mild shave & taking into account driver error, this gives an operating window of 10*.
THEN: THE OPPOSITE END OF THE SPECTRUM.
Go to the current max of 1.55 blade gap. Mechanical fact & consideration needs to be applied here.
The mechanical fact is:
The head of the razor of the 1.55 is exactly the same as the 0.95, & so is the blade exposure, the only difference is that the blade GAP between the two has been opened up, with the 1.55 more skin is exposed to the blade due to the larger gap, also the shave angle has now changed in turn exposing a little more blade, now to get the full benefit of the 1.55 the razor handle now drops for example to 60* opening the blade to skin exposure, there is now an effective shave angle of 40* to 65* giving a shave window of 25* which is more than double that of the 0.95, however in doing this the smoothness shall decline relative to handle angle towards the 60* angle because the optimum blade to skin angle has been compromised, thus anyone can get a great shave in theory, however not necessarily the optimum shave.
Now, only if the driver is holding the razor angle at 60* shall the full benefit of the 1.55 be realised. Raising the handle back to the original 45* will give a mild ‘less efficient’ shave for buffing in line with the original 0.95 gap.
An example here would be that if a user shaved with a curved sweep then the whole spectrum from 0.95 to 1.55 efficiency could take place between the handle angles of 40* to 65* leading to varied results.......lazy shave syndrome.....

So in the Wolfman Wr2 high gap razor there is the opportunity to have every razor efficiency for those who are skilled enough in driving it through every angle, the same mechanical fact applies to medium gapped Wr2 razors but lessening the shave window further, though mostly noticeable on multi days growth at maximum afficiency/blade gap.
Hence:
THE BEST ADJUSTABLE RAZOR EVER MADE.
The question is not so much the gap but the needs of the driver, to wield such a razor every shave angle is available based on skill.
Can a 1.55 Wr2 be used as a daily driver? Hell yea if you can control blade/handle angle, both maximum efficiency and mildest buffing efficiency can be achieved with one razor…..
In the vein of LORD OF THE RINGS………ONE RAZOR TO RULE THEM ALL

This is based on mechanical fact, of course shave results shall be dependant on personal skills YMMV…….


I hope this is useful technical & mechanical fact info for y’all.......... Cool
You claim at least three times to be stating mechanical facts....almost as if you’re trying to convince yourself. Just sayin’.....

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(This post was last modified: 11-28-2019, 05:33 AM by Starman.)
Excellent observation Whisk-her away,
Top marks for paying close attention haha...... Smile
My appologies for repeating myself, now edited.
Just wanted to put forward a different slant on things..
Still, facts is facts. (Does this count as repeating)...?.....
#2,599

Living on the edge
(This post was last modified: 11-28-2019, 12:13 PM by Tester28.)
Was searching for a suitable analogy to describe the difference between a SS and Ti head

This might make sense to audiophiles more than others....(disclaimer: Im not one but fancied myself as one
a long time ago)

I would liken the SS head to a solid state, transistor-based sound system where the output is crisp, cold and precise.

And the Ti head to an analog tube system....warm, liquid and smooth.

The more I think about it, the more I like it.

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(This post was last modified: 11-28-2019, 09:54 AM by Starman.)
Krell vs Audio Research......
This could also make little sense other than to those that have heard.
Shaving at Wolfman level is a minute fraction of the expense of hifi exotica
..........thankfully

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