why do people get banned at shaving sites?

I think Freddy wants us to stop worrying about what may have gone wrong elsewhere, and start focusing on what continues to go right, on here...

Just a guess, mind you...

I think Freddy  wants us to stop worrying about what may have gone wrong elsewhere, and start focusing on what continues to go right, on here...

Just a guess, mind you...

Thanks, Chris.  Yes, that's pretty much it.  I realize that our complaints aren't going to go away, especially if something particularly egregious happens elsewhere.  Also, for the most part, the discussion hasn't gotten completely out of hand.  However, we're not going to change another site's values or miscues over here any more than the reverse might be true.

I understand the objection BadDad. My question was regarding the nature and permanence of the "rest" statement.

While I understand the comments regarding positivity, I think this thread is an invaluable resource. No other forum has a thread like this, and members bringing up such concerns would be silenced and/or banned. Personally, I believe it is useful for newbies, for those who have been unjustly disciplined, and for those who are not aware of what goes on behind the scenes - again, these issues are thoroughly and completely covered up elsewhere. I'm all for being positive, but I'm for open discussion more.

Just my two cents.

Edit: I'd add that one benefit of this thread is that it centralizes this topic. If we are going to allow such topics in individual threads, the result would be worse and far more chaotic in my opinion.

Personally, I don't have any concerns. Life is too short for me to dwell over a shaving forum, disruptive members, etc. I just care for the issue at hand. Talk shaving, I'm in.

Every forum works independently from each other, so at the end, hurt feelings on other forums don't matter in here. You are not going to get my sympathy, that's for sure, lol.......

hrfdez the point isn't hurt feelings, nor is it to acquire sympathy. The question is why people get banned, which leads to an interesting discussion focused on the business models of a few forums. Those same business models seem to be producing trolls that are coming here, so I wouldn't agree that forums work entirely independent of one another.

Some people can't abide open discussion, and move to shut down that discussion and exile members. This affects the discussion of shaving products because open discussion is the prerequisite. One can't discuss products in any meaningful way while being trolled through fake accounts or silenced by draconian moderation teams.

For me more open discussion is the antidote, and historically, it always has been.

Sometimes just got to let go. I guess this is just an outlet for me, my life doesn't evolve around this or honestly, around people I don't even know.

After a time, it just gets old.

"Letting go" does not require burying the discussion, or not having it at all. If it is old to you, you are welcome to click on any other thread that is more to your taste. I don't know why there is a tendency to want to shut down conversations which aren't to our liking.

I'm not asking to shutdown anything.  Now you are putting words in my mouth.  And if you want to keep whinnying  go ahead, that's your prerogative.  

I'm just agreeing with Freddy, a break is warranted, but if you want to keep at it, by all means.  Still it won't change the facts as to why people get banned or if it matters at all.

Oh and show me where I have shown this so called tendency?  Now you are just lying and making my point.

And on this note NeoXerxes I'll let you be.  Good day

I understand the objection BadDad. My question was regarding the nature and permanence of the "rest" statement.

While I understand the comments regarding positivity, I think this thread is an invaluable resource. No other forum has a thread like this, and members bringing up such concerns would be silenced and/or banned. Personally, I believe it is useful for newbies, for those who have been unjustly disciplined, and for those who are not aware of what goes on behind the scenes - again, these issues are thoroughly and completely covered up elsewhere. I'm all for being positive, but I'm for open discussion more.

Just my two cents.

Edit: I'd add that one benefit of this thread is that it centralizes this topic. If we are going to allow such topics in individual threads, the result would be worse and far more chaotic in my opinion.

I do agree that the thread has some merit in that it gives folks an opportunity to "get it off their chest", and then, hopefully, let it go.

My concern is not so much in having this thread, and allowing it to remain open. My concern would be having an influx of people that have been banned from other forums coming here solely to discuss grievances with other forums, because the freedom allowed here makes room for it.

There is nothing wrong with a pat on the back and a harty, "happened to me, too". But I would hate to see it become the routine, or, even worse, normal for new members to start their time here being petty and remorseful over what happened somewhere else. It's kind of like being out on a first date and complaining about your ex. It might make for an interesting conversation, and your date might even have had similar experiences and be sympathetic to your plight, but it is definitely going to put a damper on the new relationship...

hrfdez if you reread my post, you'll find that I wasn't putting a single word in your mouth. If I was planning on making a specific accusation, I'd make one, and I'd link your name to it. But I wasn't referring to you specifically. My point was general and was worded as such - not agreeing with a discussion (or not having a preference for it) is not a good reason for shutting it down. I will not bother to address your whining comment, which in my opinion was both rude and unjustified.

As for specific options for dealing with this thread, I'd hope that it isn't permanently removed or altered in any way, since I think this is an essential resource that facilitates open discussion. I also do not feel that a break is warranted, because being personally tired of a discussion or having a preference for the positive aren't convincing arguments (at least for me) towards that end. But if there absolutely must be a break, I'd respectfully request that it be reasonably short, and for a stipulated period of time at the conclusion of which the thread is announced to be formally reopened.

BadDad, you make a good point, but I'd suggest that people will be remorseful over being treated unjustly - that is human nature. Over time, that will pass of course, but allowing them to make mention of this fact is essential to incorporating them into part of our community. Incidentally, my participation here was due to an unjust ban elsewhere, which I mentioned earlier in the thread. Since airing my point of view, I've been fully incorporated into the DFS community. I think that's a healthy continuum, and it's essential that we allow it to take place. Additionally, this is only one way for people to discover this forum. We've had many, many people join simply out of a desire to participate, and very likely because they understand that this forum respects open discussion and diverse opinions.