#11

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For a product to be artisan (in my eyes) it has to be:
  • Made by hand (no mechanical production)
  • Made in small quantities (no mass production)
  • Made of high quality ingredients/supplies
  • Made in house
  • An original recipe/design
  • Non-utilitarian (focused on the experience)

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(This post was last modified: 04-20-2016, 01:47 AM by brucered.)
(04-20-2016, 01:34 AM)Blackland Razors Wrote: My definition is simple. If you make it personally you are an artisan.
Even if the person making it, sucks at their craft?

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#13

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(04-20-2016, 01:45 AM)Bruce Wrote:
(04-20-2016, 01:34 AM)Blackland Razors Wrote: My definition is simple. If you make it personally you are an artisan.
Even if the person making it, sucks at their craft?

We call that a shartisan.

I'll let you figure out why.

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(04-20-2016, 01:48 AM)j-mt Wrote:
(04-20-2016, 01:45 AM)Bruce Wrote:
(04-20-2016, 01:34 AM)Blackland Razors Wrote: My definition is simple. If you make it personally you are an artisan.
Even if the person making it, sucks at their craft?

We call that a shartisan.

I'll let you figure out why.
I love it.

You just coined a new title. I wonder if we will see that on any soaps hitting the market.

Shartisan Made with mediocre ingredients.

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#15

Chazz Reinhold HOF
Merriam-Webster,

Full Definition of artisan
1
: a worker who practices a trade or handicraft : craftsperson
2
: one that produces something (as cheese or wine) in limited quantities often using traditional methods

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#16
(This post was last modified: 04-20-2016, 01:59 AM by NeoXerxes.)
(04-20-2016, 01:43 AM)j-mt Wrote: For a product to be artisan (in my eyes) it has to be:
  • Made by hand (no mechanical production)
  • Made in small quantities (no mass production)
  • Made of high quality ingredients/supplies
  • Made in house
  • An original recipe/design
  • Non-utilitarian (focused on the experience)
Just to play devil's advocate, as an example of how these definitions can be a bit loose, here are some complications to each individual point:

1. What does it mean for the product to be made by hand? What if a production machine is designed, programmed, and automated by an artisan?
2. What if the type of soap, cream, or razor requires large batch purchases? I'd imagine that large batch production is different than small batch, individual made-to-order, and mass production methods.
3. What if some ingredients are exceptionally high quality and others are cheap? For example, some soaps that I've tried use a great base but use cheap and low quality fragrance oils.
4. What if some parts of the product are made in house but others are ordered? For example, an "artisan" might outsource a label, the packaging, or even the design/mixing of a fragrance.
5. Again, what if some parts of the finished product are original designs, but others are not?
6. Non-utilitarian assumptions require that the artisan have a particular motivation. How can we know or verify this in order to apply the label appropriately? Should we believe claims that are made in marketing materials?

To be clear mate, I'm not trying to refute or pick on your points in particular, but since you articulated some specific ones (and very well, I might add), it is helpful for me to use them as a device to contrast with my own point on the problems with using the "artisan" vs. "non-artisan" label.
#17
The way I look on Artisan is more like home made, by few people, no rush in pushing production for huge numbers AKA sort of custom work.
#18

Chazz Reinhold HOF
(This post was last modified: 04-20-2016, 02:07 AM by hrfdez.)
I'm a watch collector, this is my personal definition:

Rolex- Non Artisan
Romain Jerome- Artisan
#19

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(This post was last modified: 04-20-2016, 02:11 AM by Goose. Edit Reason: forgot the quote )
(04-20-2016, 01:34 AM)Blackland Razors Wrote: My definition is simple. If you make it personally you are an artisan.


Agreed. This is where my general opinion lies
~ BRENDEN

#20
(This post was last modified: 04-20-2016, 02:13 AM by NeoXerxes.)
Hmmm. I suppose I'm not convinced of the practical utility of having a proper definition of what is and is not artisan. Let's just go with the paraphrased and cliche definition of obscenity/pornography by Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart in Jacobellis v. Ohio: we know it when we see it.

This approach also works with artisan vs. non-artisan Big Grin.

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