#1

Cutting Edge Soap
Maricopa, AZ
So, I do sell some shaving soap from time to time.  More of a hobby than an income that I need in order to put food on the table, still I want people to be happy with the products that they purchase.  After trying hundreds of soaps I feel that I know what I like and don't like in a shaving soap.  The soap I made is exactly what I prefer in a soap and I feel it's the best I've used (for me personally that is).  I mean, if it wasn't then I'd keep tweaking the formula until it was.   Anyway, I'm not saying that it's the very best for everyone out there, but it's exactly what I enjoy in a soap.  

That being said what I like might not be what some others care for.  It's a good thing for us that there are so many soaps available to choose from.  If someone doesn't think that the soap I make is right for them, then they can choose from a thousand others out there.  There are plenty of excellent products available that they might prefer over mine and I'm happy to recommend other makers in these situations.  Most makers that I've met are really nice people and there's no reason why we can't support and help one another.  

The reviews I've gotten have been extremely positive, with the exception of one in particular.  To this person my soap was terrible.  This is hard for me to understand given my own experience as well as all of the other feedback that I've gotten.  

The problem here is that this person did not contact me at all to voice their displeasure.  They didn't reach out in order to see if maybe they were doing something wrong.  I could have provided some advice on how to lather my soap, maybe sent a replacement, refund, partial refund, etc.   It would have been nice to at least have an opportunity to make the customer happy.  Instead, out of nowhere, I see a very negative post on a shaving forum.  Others chimed in voicing support for me and stating that they did not agree with this post at all.  Still, it's unfortunate but these type of posts do impact sales. even with many other positive comments.  

I've reviewed hundreds of shaving soaps and encouraged others to do so.  When running a soap sample passaround for years I stressed the fact that reviews have to be honest but they also have to be respectful and kind at the same time.  We aren't all going to like the same things, so what you like others might not and vise versa.  You might also find that your own preferences might change.  I've revisited scents that I didn't care for early on to find that I really enjoy them now.   The point here is that you can be honest and still be respectful and kind at the same time.  

So if you have a problem with a product that you bought from any vendor... 

1. First off, please contact the vendor and give them an opportunity to correct the situation and make things right.  I can't tell you how many negative reviews I've commented on where I've asked "Have you reached out to the vendor?" and gotten a "no" response.  If you're willing to take the time to write a negative review then I'd think you'd want to take the time to reach out to the vendor.  As a vendor we want to satisfy our customers.  It's a great feeling when someone likes your products and posts something positive.  It's not great when the reviews are not so positive.  We've all heard the business adage "If you love the product then please tell everyone, if you don't love it then please tell me".  I would have loved the opportunity to make them happy before they posted the negative comments but afterward the damage was done and I chalk it up as a "Well, I guess you can't please everybody".      

2. Set your expectations accordingly.  Some things are subjective.  For example, not everyone is going to like every scent or even the same scents.  In these situations if I have to comment I might say "Some people might love this one but it the scent wasn't for me".  This is why I always recommend scooping a small sample and trying it out first.  This way if you find that you don't care for it then maybe you can list it on the buy, sell, trade and get back most of what you paid for it.  

3. Try to be understanding.  There are only a select few vendors actually making a living and supporting their families doing this.  I wouldn't recommend making shaving products if your goal is to get rich.  Most are small hobby type businesses that are putting their heart and soul into making these items and barely making a profit if making any profit at all.  Even the largest artisan makers are still what you'd consider small businesses and unfavorable reviews do impact them.    

4. After you've reached out to the vendor (maybe several times) and can't get a reasonable resolution then by all means post a negative review because at that point they've earned it. 

What I'm getting at here is please be kind to one another and treat people as you'd like to be treated.

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#2

Posting Freak
Peachtree City, GA
(This post was last modified: 05-18-2021, 12:03 AM by DanLaw.)
Absolutely!  In short, be a decent human being as every religion, or even humanism, promotes. A shame adults need be reminded of this. My absolute favourite vendor has certain soaps that just don't work for my skin. Easy enough to inform the artisan and discretely sell. If treated unfairly or dishonestly, that another matter but rare.  Mostly these are small businessmen on the razor's edge, not ballers.

Finally, David, from the first usage, your soaps were top 4 for to my perspective. The packaging and scents might have been perfected further and the price raised to reflect the quality of ingredients but the properties were incredible for an initial launch.

You have been a Godsend regarding helping people find their right soap over the years and thank you for the efforts. Definitely looking foreward to the relaunch. 

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#3

Scentsless Shaver
Oakland, ME
(This post was last modified: 05-17-2021, 04:57 PM by MaineYooper.)
Very well stated, dfoulk and something I think that is needed to be said now and again. Big places like Amazon and Walmart almost never have a person responding to a complaint. And social media seems to encourage unhinged behaviors that (at least I hope that) in person would never happen. I work in a retail pharmacy. I hear complaints, a lot, but when face to face, or even on the phone, we can resolve the issue, and quite often, leave it behind with both parties in agreement. We may not sing Kumbaya, but we aren't shanking each other, either. But online complaints? That is a whole 'nother kettle of fish. While not anonymous, they are typically over the top, dripping in vitriol, as I think the writer believes they are really going to "get us" by writing such a thing to HQ.

So what dfoulk said is exactly what we need to do for each other. Be civil, be firm, and communicate as individuals. I truly believe that with the artisans and vendors most of us deal with, it will end up being a rewarding experience for both sides.


EDIT: I just checked your site and am excited to see an unscented soap coming! I will definitely buy some (since my 2021 resolution seems to be Buy It Now!!)

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#4

Just Here for the Shaves
Williamsburg, KY
(This post was last modified: 05-17-2021, 05:17 PM by Dave in KY.)
VERY well stated. I think in this time of stress with the covid-19 lately that many people are less patient and quicker to lash out just out of all the stress they are under. It's not an excuse but it's the only explanation I have for the less than gentlemanly behavior that seems to be on the rise. I would hope that most everybody that is in this hobby or whatever you want to call it but understand that not every razor that is great for one group will be great for you not every soap that others love will be great for you. As you eloquently stated different people have different things that they're looking for in a soap. I find very few if any soaps today would be terrible. If something's not for me a respectful review on it if somebody asks my opinion or if I write it in my journal respectfully is about it and then I move on. For some reason today people get in their head to this you don't like the razor or soap that they like you're wrong and don't know what you're doing. Hopefully everybody can try to be a little kinder and not so divisive. I've not tried your soaps yet but I've heard good things about them and I'm holding out for getting one in particular in the future. Best wishes to you and thanks for your well thought out post.

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This post by Dave in KY mentions views and opinions expressed and makes it known that they are "those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of DFS or any other member, agency, organization, employer or company."  Big Grin
#5

Merchant
St. Louis, MO
Your website indicates you do not accept returns and unfortunately not everyone will bother to reach out to the vendor if they feel "stuck".

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#6

Just Here for the Shaves
Williamsburg, KY
(This post was last modified: 05-17-2021, 06:31 PM by Dave in KY.)
(05-17-2021, 06:17 PM)dominicr Wrote: Your website indicates you do not accept returns and unfortunately not everyone will bother to reach out to the vendor if they feel "stuck".

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I don't see how someone would feel "stuck". If they felt the soap was and I'll quote "terrible" that would be a defect. They do accept returns.

Returns Policy
Due to the nature of shaving soaps being a personal hygiene item, returns cannot be accepted except in cases of a manufacturing defect or otherwise limiting circumstance that is the fault of Cutting Edge that prevents the proper use of the product.

Defective products can be returned for a full refund of the product price within 15 days of receiving the product.

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This post by Dave in KY mentions views and opinions expressed and makes it known that they are "those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of DFS or any other member, agency, organization, employer or company."  Big Grin
#7

Merchant
St. Louis, MO
(05-17-2021, 06:23 PM)Dave in KY Wrote:
(05-17-2021, 06:17 PM)dominicr Wrote: Your website indicates you do not accept returns and unfortunately not everyone will bother to reach out to the vendor if they feel "stuck".

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I don't see how someone would feel "stuck". If they felt the soap was and I'll quote "terrible" that would be a defect. They do accept returns.

Returns Policy
Due to the nature of shaving soaps being a personal hygiene item, returns cannot be accepted except in cases of a manufacturing defect or otherwise limiting circumstance that is the fault of Cutting Edge that prevents the proper use of the product.

Defective products can be returned for a full refund of the product price within 15 days of receiving the product.
Did the person say the product was defective or they just didn't like it?

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#8

Just Here for the Shaves
Williamsburg, KY
(This post was last modified: 05-17-2021, 06:52 PM by Dave in KY.)
(05-17-2021, 06:42 PM)dominicr Wrote:
(05-17-2021, 06:23 PM)Dave in KY Wrote:
(05-17-2021, 06:17 PM)dominicr Wrote: Your website indicates you do not accept returns and unfortunately not everyone will bother to reach out to the vendor if they feel "stuck".

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I don't see how someone would feel "stuck". If they felt the soap was and I'll quote "terrible" that would be a defect. They do accept returns.

Returns Policy
Due to the nature of shaving soaps being a personal hygiene item, returns cannot be accepted except in cases of a manufacturing defect or otherwise limiting circumstance that is the fault of Cutting Edge that prevents the proper use of the product.

Defective products can be returned for a full refund of the product price within 15 days of receiving the product.
Did the person say the product was defective or they just didn't like it?

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I assume you read above what I did. "To this person my soap was terrible" while others ALL spoke highly of it. If that's me, I would think I got a bad batch or something wasn't right. Either way, there was clearly a recourse to reach out to the vendor if dissatisfied. It also stated "or otherwise limiting circumstance that is the fault of Cutting Edge that prevents the proper use of the product."
You can feel free to interpret it differently......

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This post by Dave in KY mentions views and opinions expressed and makes it known that they are "those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of DFS or any other member, agency, organization, employer or company."  Big Grin
#9

Member
New York
(05-17-2021, 06:42 PM)dominicr Wrote:
(05-17-2021, 06:23 PM)Dave in KY Wrote:
(05-17-2021, 06:17 PM)dominicr Wrote: Your website indicates you do not accept returns and unfortunately not everyone will bother to reach out to the vendor if they feel "stuck".

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I don't see how someone would feel "stuck". If they felt the soap was and I'll quote "terrible" that would be a defect. They do accept returns.

Returns Policy
Due to the nature of shaving soaps being a personal hygiene item, returns cannot be accepted except in cases of a manufacturing defect or otherwise limiting circumstance that is the fault of Cutting Edge that prevents the proper use of the product.

Defective products can be returned for a full refund of the product price within 15 days of receiving the product.
Did the person say the product was defective or they just didn't like it?

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I don't think the review provided this level of detail for him to know what was going on. Thus, why dfoulk said he could have possibly helped with tips for using it or a replacement if it was bad. He wasn't afforded the opportunity to know the exact problem (I think).

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#10

Cutting Edge Soap
Maricopa, AZ
(This post was last modified: 05-17-2021, 08:55 PM by dfoulk.)
(05-17-2021, 06:17 PM)dominicr Wrote: Your website indicates you do not accept returns and unfortunately not everyone will bother to reach out to the vendor if they feel "stuck".

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There will be quite a few upcoming changes to my website and this page will likely change a bit.   Though this post wasn't really meant to be about me or anyone in particular.  More of just a general observation. 

In terms of returns with any artisan vendor once products are returned they pretty much go into the trash and get chalked up as a loss.  I can't resell used soaps.   That being said if a customer is unhappy with any vendor they should reach out. The time limit thing is for someone who will hold a soap and try to return it six months lather. Those products would likely meet the same fate as the used soaps that are returned. I mean can customers really expect a lifetime warranty with a shaving soap?

In terms of negative reviews this wasn't about any particular individual as the issue I had was brought up only as an example. That was many, many months ago and we're well past that. Names were left out intentionally. In terms of the soap being defective, or a bad batch, that was not the case. I suspect (can only speculate) what the user did wrong was that they didn't lather the soap long enough. The soap I make lathers pretty quickly but you have to keep lathering a bit longer or you won't get enough lather for a three pass shave. I suspect they lathered for about ten seconds and complained that the lather was thin. That's my guess though and I don't really want to guess well after the fact. They stated that they resold the soaps at that time so there was no point in offering advice on how to lather it properly. The point was that they did not reach out and ask for any kind of resolution. Had they done so they may have made some adjustments and really liked it. I haven't had any other complaints nor any returns and most tell me that it's up there with the very best they've tried.

I see this with other vendors where people run right to the forum to complain without reaching out to the vendor was the only point here. I wasn't trying to generate sales or resolve a particular issue that I was having. Just a general observation and a request to be kind to one another.

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