The way things are going?

IN the future of storefronts, it was put thus,

"do we want the mass made razors in china to be the way of the future?"


ITs a good question. IF a person doesn't want to buy a modern razor from Merkur, Muhle, EJ you have to choose between buying a vintage razor online, or purchase an extremely expensive copy of one of those razors.

Or you can buy one of the mass produced razors from china. I know the horror of it, a mass made clone of the Gillette tech and super speed, for prices less then what most rusted up vintage techs sell for. Its easy to do a little dance when you shell out 200$ for a "artisan stainless steel tech clone" but your not allowed to when you score a dozen Chinese made ming shi or baili tech clones at 2.00$ or less EACH.



Gillette made razors in massive numbers. They made 3 piece techs in the 50s and 60s as components in England and shipped box cars of components over to the USA for assembly. Yet we love them still.


SO honestly what are you guys looking for here.

-expensive artisan razors no one can really afford
-nothing but Edwin jager, merkur, and muhle razors
-lord and rapira tech clones
-Chinese made tech clones that can be bought at the original tech box price of 60 cents or less?

I really and truly don't understand what are you trying to say in your post....

See here is a problem that I see:

-expensive artisan razors no one can really afford
- ********( problem is here, its where you forgot this price range of razors that many people go for)********
-nothing but Edwin jager, merkur, and muhle razors
-lord and rapira tech clones
-Chinese made tech clones that can be bought at the original tech box price of 60 cents or less?

The problem is you are not considering that many of the good, affordable,adjustable, all stainless steel razors are made outside US, many of them are made in China and they are not dirt cheap for a reason, but a ot of people can afford them.

I realized pretty much that spending big bucks on a unobtanium items wont give me better shaving experience, just more eye candy. I actually made on the Wolfman list of razors that many people would kill for it and I was set to order one of each razor in every metal he offers.... Why I wanted to spend so much? well influenced by the hype on the forums and what not else, but didn't took long when I realized I don't need to spend $1000 + on ordering 5 Wolfman razors, so I just drop off and didn't order anything.

This is what I was saying you forget the price range in between the good mainstream razors and the uber expensive ones, here is my in between ones:
- Rockwell 6S adjustable SS, Rockwell Model T ( upgrade to all SS), Razorock Wunderbar SS, Supply Provision adjustable SS, Razorock Hawk SS Glass Blasted.

Then Here is the mainstream more expensive ones I have:
- Made in Italy: Fatip Grande, Fatip Gentile (all brass + great shavers + long lasting), Made in India: Pearl Razors TTO in OC and SB (all brass + great shavers + long lasting),

Razors below price of the mainstream:

- 8 different models of GEM razors that are all brass ( no plastics)

I'm yet to purchase any of the super cheap Chinese razors, not because I think they are bad performing razors but because I know they are very mild and they are made of Zinc parts.

people still use zinc razors with no issue. Hell, people are still using zinc razors featuring the Gillette logo with no problem.

Its hard to make the claim that a razor, with a 2-3 year waiting list, JUST TO GET THE CHANCE TO ORDER, is mainstream or affordable.

there is no stainless steel adjustable. The only one that MIGHT be is the barboros rocnel thing, that's somewhat hard to find. I haven't seen those offered for sale anywhere. And I believe they had a 200-300$ price. If you mean to contend the Rockwell 6s is an actual adjustable, you might have a point provided its maid in china.

merkur and parker don't use stainless, and do make over seas. The issue is, when a simple change in handle makes the basic model go from 35.00 at a retailer to 120$ at retailers, you have a new issue with affordability and price.

Its nice you mention Gem as the only vintage option. That's how it can be read. The issue is, with the age of them, and the amount of damage to them they can be a hard market to find a worthy one to purchase.

the pearl/cadet Open Comb TTO razors, are not sold in the states as far as I have been able to determine. I tried a whole year to get one, and only 1 place had them. And it was a website that was only operational 3 months a year. And most people who ordered, never got razors.

The idea of Fatip being a high end razor is somewhat ironic. Its not any more classic or expensive them merkur or muhle or Edwin jagger or Parker products. And even though I am a devotee of solid brass equipment, it is not any better then the other brands listed. YOu can pull up many bad reviews and commentary on those fatip razors about how each batch run that leaves the factory varies so much in quality, blade alignment, and shave quality.

I don't understand your point. It seems that all you want to do is complain about every aspect of wet shaving as a hobby from the limited innovation, the way we interact with each other, and the limited options available for purchase.

MY question is simple: Why do you even participate in forums? You already have your mind made up that they are a waste of your time due to nothing shaving related being discussed other than "bragging SOTD photos", and you are already thoroughly convinced that every forum is against you, because you are against every forum.

You seem to be happy with your own opinion, and your own gear, and your own interpretation of the wet shaving hobby. Why bother interacting on forums at all? And if you want to interact as a means of connecting with other people, why not try a little harder to actually make some connections instead of trying to insinuate that every forum and every shaver are the same, and everyone is just an inherently bad person?

I just don't get your point...in this topic, in your participation, in your constant complaints...I don't get any of your points, on any level, to any degree...

Maybe it's just me...

Its nice you mention Gem as the only vintage option. That's how it can be read. The issue is, with the age of them, and the amount of damage to them they can be a hard market to find a worthy one to purchase.

This is just a flat out lie. You can find tons of these razors that are worthy to purchase if you look hard enough. Trust me, I have a few.




And no, BadDad, it's not just you...

people still use zinc razors with no issue. Hell,  people are still using zinc razors featuring the Gillette logo with no problem.

Its hard to make the claim that a razor, with a 2-3 year waiting list, JUST TO GET THE CHANCE TO ORDER, is mainstream or affordable.

there is no stainless steel adjustable.  The only one that MIGHT be is the barboros rocnel thing, that's somewhat hard to find. I haven't seen those offered for sale anywhere. And I believe they had a 200-300$ price.  If you mean to contend the Rockwell 6s is an actual adjustable, you might have a point provided its maid in china.

merkur and parker don't use stainless, and do make over seas.  The issue is, when a simple change in handle makes the basic model go from 35.00 at a retailer to 120$ at retailers, you have a new issue with affordability and price.

Its nice you mention Gem as the only vintage option. That's how it can be read. The issue is, with the age of them, and the amount of damage to them they can be a hard market to find a worthy one to purchase.

the pearl/cadet Open Comb TTO razors, are not sold in the states as far as I have been able to determine. I tried a whole year to get one, and only 1 place had them. And it was a website that was only operational 3 months a year. And most people who ordered, never got razors.

The idea of Fatip being a high end razor is somewhat ironic. Its not any more classic or expensive them merkur or muhle or Edwin jagger  or Parker products. And even though I am a devotee of solid brass equipment, it is not any better then the other brands listed. YOu can pull up many bad reviews and commentary on those fatip razors about how each batch run that leaves the factory varies so much in quality, blade alignment, and shave quality.

I can tell you are still new when it comes to shaving gear. The Rockwell 6S is adjustable ( 3 plates, 6 different settings) and SS not adjustable on the fly style that costed me $80, The Supply Provision Is Adjustable ( 3 plates,3 settings) Injector SS razor not adjustable on the fly that costed me $75 including blades, Razorock Wunderbar SS slant superb shaver and great CNC machining $130, Razorock HAWK SS great SE razor cost $60, Rockwell Model T all SS adjustable ( increase cost unknown for SS version and yet to be tested out) There are other SS razors out there in the $100 mark but they don't offer as much bang for the buck as the ones I have currently.

You say GEM razor are being beaten up and hard to find in good shape at good price? what are you talking about? ebay is full with gems at good to great shape at dirt cheap affordable prices AKA $15 shipped....

Pearl razors are indeed sold in USA, we even gave major USA Pearl razors distributor who sell them to internet outlets. You can always buy onne from India via ebay for $20 new one....

I never said Fatip is a high end razor, I said its a top notch in the mid class "Production" razors considering is all brass and shaves like laser surgeon when paired with a sharp blade. I moved away from zinc after I had few zinc razors fail on me. Both of my Fatips needs little tinkering with the blade to get it squared with the safety bar, but the same goes for the zinc razor heads, they need tinkering also.


As for the Rocnel adjustable is not 200-300, its more like 350.... Its adjustable on the fly but its not TTO, which is where Rockwell Model T comes in and fingers crossed their all SS version will be well deserving teammate to their 6S.

Pearl OPEN COMB TTO razors, not available anywhere. that's what I said.

ive spent the last week on ebay hunting down good gems. Been focusing on 1912s. ITS EASY to find corroded rusted up SE razors on ebay. GOOD ones are far and few between.

people still use zinc razors with no issue. Hell,  people are still using zinc razors featuring the Gillette logo with no problem.

Its hard to make the claim that a razor, with a 2-3 year waiting list, JUST TO GET THE CHANCE TO ORDER, is mainstream or affordable.

there is no stainless steel adjustable.  The only one that MIGHT be is the barboros rocnel thing, that's somewhat hard to find. I haven't seen those offered for sale anywhere. And I believe they had a 200-300$ price.  If you mean to contend the Rockwell 6s is an actual adjustable, you might have a point provided its maid in china.

merkur and parker don't use stainless, and do make over seas.  The issue is, when a simple change in handle makes the basic model go from 35.00 at a retailer to 120$ at retailers, you have a new issue with affordability and price.

Its nice you mention Gem as the only vintage option. That's how it can be read. The issue is, with the age of them, and the amount of damage to them they can be a hard market to find a worthy one to purchase.

the pearl/cadet Open Comb TTO razors, are not sold in the states as far as I have been able to determine. I tried a whole year to get one, and only 1 place had them. And it was a website that was only operational 3 months a year. And most people who ordered, never got razors.

The idea of Fatip being a high end razor is somewhat ironic. Its not any more classic or expensive them merkur or muhle or Edwin jagger  or Parker products. And even though I am a devotee of solid brass equipment, it is not any better then the other brands listed. YOu can pull up many bad reviews and commentary on those fatip razors about how each batch run that leaves the factory varies so much in quality, blade alignment, and shave quality.

I do not understand your point. First of all, you make the statement "THERE IS NO STAINLESS STEEL ADJUSTABLE". I bring your attention to the B&R Stainless Steel Adjustable, Rockwell 6S and The Above The Tie (ATT) five piece set and, there may be more. An adjustable razor does not mean turning something. By changing base plates you are in fact adjusting your razor. Stan from ATT wrote an article on that. And, the B&R is adjusted by turning the handle. Maybe for the time being you should spend less time on Ebay and review all of the great mail order companies who sell razors and review their inventory and maybe you would rethink this thread.

I do not understand your point.  First of all, you make the statement "THERE IS NO STAINLESS STEEL ADJUSTABLE".  I bring your attention to the B&R Stainless Steel Adjustable, Rockwell 6S and The Above The Tie (ATT) five piece set and, there may be more.  An adjustable razor does not mean turning something.  By changing base plates you are in fact adjusting your razor.  Stan from ATT wrote an article on that.  And, the B&R is adjusted by turning the handle.  Maybe for the time being you should spend less time on Ebay and review all of the great mail order companies who sell razors and review their inventory and maybe you would rethink this thread.

Not likely to rethink anything. This guy has posted nothing but drivel since he first joined. It's a waste of time and energy to try and have an actual discussion because he makes no valid points, and no respectable arguments.

He's a troll, in the simplest and purest form of the word. Nothing more, nothing less. Not worth the epithelial cells left on the keyboard after typing out a response...

I do not understand your point.  First of all, you make the statement "THERE IS NO STAINLESS STEEL ADJUSTABLE".  I bring your attention to the B&R Stainless Steel Adjustable, Rockwell 6S and The Above The Tie (ATT) five piece set and, there may be more.  An adjustable razor does not mean turning something.  By changing base plates you are in fact adjusting your razor.  Stan from ATT wrote an article on that.  And, the B&R is adjusted by turning the handle.  Maybe for the time being you should spend less time on Ebay and review all of the great mail order companies who sell razors and review their inventory and maybe you would rethink this thread.

Not likely to rethink anything. This guy has posted nothing but drivel since he first joined. It's a waste of time and energy to try and have an actual discussion because he makes no valid points, and no respectable arguments.

He's a troll, in the simplest and purest form of the word. Nothing more, nothing less. Not worth the epithelial cells left on the keyboard after typing out a response...

I think you hit the nail on the head. You do make sense.