Sold Paradigm 17-4

I’m not taking sides here... In post #3 the seller does elude to a $45 USD shipping cost. I think it was likely a case of miscommunication. I hope you’re able to work it out amicably.

I’m not taking sides here... In post #3 the seller does elude to a $45 USD shipping cost. I think it was likely a case of miscommunication. I hope you’re able to work it out amicably.

I would never take sides here either, but my understanding was $450 and a $45 insured international shipping cost as well since he is shipping from Europe to USA.  The man is also on Holiday (vacation) with his family.  

Personally, when I sell something, all fees and postage is wrapped into my asking price CONUS only.  I will ship International however, the BUYER pays actual.  I recently shipped an ATT SE to Italy, uninsured. The cost was $37USD

Sometimes International Members use a translator and depending upon the language there can be a disconnection word per word.  My first language is the same language this member speaks.  I highly doubt he was trying to do anything sketch or trying to pull a fast one.  And if he has, that’s what the feedback forum is for.

From post #1. No confusing $450 USD shipped.

Selling a Paradigm 17-4 on behalf of a friend of mine.

450 USD shipped from Germany.

I can only ship it from next Thursday (5/28) as I’m on vacation right now.

Please, folks, I am not trying to get people to take sides here! There’s way too much of that in this world now. I’m am operating under the belief that this seller is a good guy, and I don’t want this conversation to turn into a commentary on who’s right, and who’s wrong. This is a learning opportunity, and the ways that this went sideways are really minor in the context of what the world is dealing with these days. . I paid the amount the seller asked of me. I still want the razor. But I also am hoping for more clarity on norms on DFS, and greater community awareness of how “price-related comments” even if “positive” can potentially skew how things go. I suppose I might be asking too much.

I can say with confidence that there was no confusion about whether shipping was included. I initially mistakenly thought shipping was not included, because I didn’t carefully read the listing. My bad. My first PM to seller was entitled “Paradigm 17-4 for $450, plus shipping.” The seller quickly clarified that shipping was included. The subsequent discussions on price concerned only two topics: (1) $450 U.S. vs. 415 euros and (2) who pays the PP fee, seller or buyer.

I made certain assumptions, based on what I thought the “norms” are on the BST. For example, I thought that because price in the listing was in dollars US, that was the form of payment the seller would accept. As for the PP fee, the listing was silent. I know that the PP policy is the seller pays the fee, and I know that DFS prohibits sellers from requiring buyers to make payment using PayPal’s “Friends and Family” feature (because this offers buyers no protection). I therefore assumed the seller would pay the PP fee because, in my experience, if a seller expects the buyer to pay the PayPal fee (i.e., 3%), the seller mentions that in the listing. Here, the Seller explained that, based on his experience, it is customary on DFS for the buyer to pay the PP fee. My question is, have others found this to be the case in their dealings on the DFS BST?

Maybe there was a language impediment that contributed to how this deal worked out. Again, I’m not here asking people to take sides. I’m trying to find out what the norms are on the BST. Sorry for the long post.

Please, folks, I am not trying to get people to take sides here!  There’s way too much of that in this world now.  I’m am operating under the belief that this seller  is a good guy, and I don’t want this conversation to turn into a commentary on who’s right, and who’s wrong.  This is a learning opportunity, and the ways that this went sideways are really minor in the context of what the world is dealing with these days.  .  I paid the amount the seller asked of me.  I still want the razor.  But I also am hoping for more clarity on norms on DFS, and greater community awareness of how “price-related comments” even if “positive” can potentially skew how things go.  I suppose I might be asking too much. 

I can say with confidence that there was no confusion about whether shipping was included.  I initially mistakenly thought shipping was not included, because I didn’t carefully read the listing.  My bad.  My first PM to seller was entitled “Paradigm 17-4 for $450, plus shipping.”  The seller quickly clarified that shipping was included.  The subsequent discussions on price concerned only two topics: (1) $450 U.S. vs. 415 euros and (2) who pays the PP fee, seller or buyer. 

I made certain assumptions, based on what I thought the “norms” are on the BST.  For example, I thought that because price in the listing was in dollars US, that was the form of payment the seller would accept.  As for the PP fee, the listing was silent.  I know that the PP policy is the seller pays the fee, and I know that DFS prohibits sellers from requiring buyers to make payment using PayPal’s “Friends and Family” feature (because this offers buyers no protection).  I therefore assumed the seller would pay the PP fee because, in my experience, if a seller expects the buyer to pay the PayPal fee (i.e., 3%), the seller mentions that in the listing.  Here, the Seller explained that, based on his experience, it is customary on DFS for the buyer to pay the PP fee.  My question is, have others found this to be the case in their dealings on the DFS BST?

Maybe there was a language impediment that contributed to how this deal worked out.  Again, I’m not here asking people to take sides.  I’m trying to find out what the norms are on the BST.  Sorry for the long post.

 It’s not customary to pay PayPal fees as the Buyer here on DFS. If the Seller wanted $415 Euros he could have listed it as that, not $450 US . Please see rule #5 from the BST rules.

Please, folks, I am not trying to get people to take sides here!  There’s way too much of that in this world now.  I’m am operating under the belief that this seller  is a good guy, and I don’t want this conversation to turn into a commentary on who’s right, and who’s wrong.  This is a learning opportunity, and the ways that this went sideways are really minor in the context of what the world is dealing with these days.  .  I paid the amount the seller asked of me.  I still want the razor.  But I also am hoping for more clarity on norms on DFS, and greater community awareness of how “price-related comments” even if “positive” can potentially skew how things go.  I suppose I might be asking too much. 

I can say with confidence that there was no confusion about whether shipping was included.  I initially mistakenly thought shipping was not included, because I didn’t carefully read the listing.  My bad.  My first PM to seller was entitled “Paradigm 17-4 for $450, plus shipping.”  The seller quickly clarified that shipping was included.  The subsequent discussions on price concerned only two topics: (1) $450 U.S. vs. 415 euros and (2) who pays the PP fee, seller or buyer. 

I made certain assumptions, based on what I thought the “norms” are on the BST.  For example, I thought that because price in the listing was in dollars US, that was the form of payment the seller would accept.  As for the PP fee, the listing was silent.  I know that the PP policy is the seller pays the fee, and I know that DFS prohibits sellers from requiring buyers to make payment using PayPal’s “Friends and Family” feature (because this offers buyers no protection).  I therefore assumed the seller would pay the PP fee because, in my experience, if a seller expects the buyer to pay the PayPal fee (i.e., 3%), the seller mentions that in the listing.  Here, the Seller explained that, based on his experience, it is customary on DFS for the buyer to pay the PP fee.  My question is, have others found this to be the case in their dealings on the DFS BST?

Maybe there was a language impediment that contributed to how this deal worked out.  Again, I’m not here asking people to take sides.  I’m trying to find out what the norms are on the BST.  Sorry for the long post.

No, you’re on point.  The seller said $450 USD shipped.  Whatever he said 2 posts later and what anyone else (like myself) assumed is not on point.

There are no hidden costs beyond what’s posted.  If someone says $100 shipped, it’s implied it’s $100 shipped, postage and any fees are on the seller.

You’re 100%, anything beyond the listed asking price should always be mentioned

I believe BavarianBrewer is active on another forum where there is no G&S requirement. In the case of F&F for overseas transactions, the fee is automatically charged to the sender, so maybe that is where the confusion is coming from.

I do agree with the buyer that some of the pricing comments were uncalled for. It's one thing to state that it's a great price for a great item. It's another (and completely unnecessary) to state the specific price that you would have sold it at. The seller can do his own research, and will price it where he wants to.

I believe BavarianBrewer is active on another forum where there is no G&S requirement. In the case of F&F for overseas transactions, the fee is automatically charged to the sender, so maybe that is where the confusion is coming from.

I do agree with the buyer that some of the pricing comments were uncalled for. It's one thing to state that it's a great price for a great item. It's another (and completely unnecessary) to state the specific price that you would have sold it at. The seller can do his own research, and will price it where he wants to.

Yeah but Look at his post: https://damnfineshave.com/thread-sold-do...#pid289567

You are quite the detective.

You are quite the detective.

I don't think this is F&F and G&S issue. It is more about currency exchange. 
But his asking price was in USD, not Euros. Everything costed buyer extra is not fair.