#111

Member
Florida
(03-15-2019, 05:00 PM)dominicr Wrote:
(03-15-2019, 04:46 PM)shaveSymptomatic Wrote:
(03-15-2019, 04:21 PM)dominicr Wrote: If I am understanding the situation correctly, an email marked "Private & Confidential" was sent to his customer list in an email blast?

You're mistaken, you can go back and read everything carefully again.

You're telling me this was a private email to a few friends then?

No, read posts 71 and 95, I'm sure there are others as well.
#112

Living on the edge
(03-15-2019, 04:58 PM)shaveSymptomatic Wrote: That's my point, we don't know. We don't know how much he invested in the patent, how much he invested in product developement, etc. We don't know anything.

What does it matter how much he invested...and where....promising hundreds of people a product, taking their money, not delivering the product, and then not returning the money
is commonly known as theft, and possibly fraud.

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#113

Merchant
St. Louis, MO
First, I don't have anything against Avi or the Raw razor.
I re-read posts #71 & #95. Again, all I see folks that *think* it should be private. Maybe it was an intentional "leak"?
My main point is...don't send emails out to your customers and expect it to be PRIVATE & CONFIDENTIAL.

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Shave Sharp, Look Sharp
#114

Posting Freak
While there are all kinds of reasons why in certain vendor - purchaser scenarios the parties may want various aspects of the transaction kept in confidence, in the retail scenario there is no good reason why one customer or group of customers should be treated any differently than another or that any information be confidential part from the purchaser's personal/financial information. Sure, if I buy 100 razors I can expect to negotiate a volume discount but two guys buying one razor should both pay the same price and get the same terms. To do otherwise will eventually get out and it will leave a bad taste in customer's mouths. One of the potential problems I see with the whole online sales combined with social media is the expectation/necessity for artisans/vendors to communicate with their customers one on one. There can develop an expectation of favourable treatment from the customers because after all, we're "friends" right? and friends will do each other a solid right? Thats a lot of pressure to put on a guy trying to grow a business and make a living but if you fall into that trap its a slippery slope and who knows where it leads but its not a good place in my opinion. Anger and resentment, loss of business, harm to your reputation. All bad stuff. My advice? Make a good product, give excellent customer service equally to all your customers, make problems right in all cases. No exceptions no special treatment - other than everybody gets special treatment.

Example - A number of years ago I was dining at a high end seafood place in town for lunch as the guest of some colleagues. It was an Oyster Bar and Dining Room. I like oysters but didn't see them on the menu. I asked the waiter and he said that they only served oysters in the oyster bar. Fair enough. We ordered. A few minutes later four waiters walked by our table with a tray of oysters in each hand and delivered them to a nearby table.(thats like, 8 dozen oysters. I would have been happy with just one) I asked our waiter what was up with that? He said that that the people at the table were friends of the managers (we were just paying customers) and they could have whatever they wanted. Confused Nice. I never went back there again, and I put my personal curse on their restaurant. It eventually closed a few years later. My curses sometimes take a while to work. My point is, they treated their customers differently, and it annoys customers when that happens. You can bet I didn't have anything nice to say to anyone about that restaurant between the time of that incident and their closing. I never said anything untrue or unfair. I like to think I played a small part in that closing. Smile

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#115
(This post was last modified: 03-15-2019, 05:40 PM by Vigilantesd.)
(03-15-2019, 04:21 PM)dominicr Wrote: If I am understanding the situation correctly, an email marked "Private & Confidential" was sent to his customer list in an email blast?

I don’t think an email was sent out marked ‘Private & Confidential’ so much as people feeling it was sort of private, and possibly a little personal. I am guessing they feel it isn’t/wasn’t their place to post the email, for whatever reason. Had I received it I probably would have felt the same way. I don’t think anyone was asked to keep it private. I *thought* I was on the email list, but I didn’t receive that particular email. I’m not bothered by it either.

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#116

Vintage Shaver
Seattle, WA
So it has started: an RS-10 has been posted on eBay for $500 plus shipping.
John
#117
Gentleman I started this thread after receiving an Email from Avi. I knew nothing of his prior business and never claimed to have inside information of why he was closing shop. I have 2 of his razors and enjoy using them. I have had a very positive experience dealing with him, including returning the first razor I bought during his initial release.
My Email was not marked personal & confidential but I was raised to respect others and their privacy. If some feel different that is their right, but if you are on the side of release of all info why did you not release your info that you feel so strongly about? I personally am signing off on this thread as it no longer is serving a purpose of letting people know that Raw Shaving is closed. Others may want to continue arguing to heaven knows when, the same point over and over again. But I am happy that I purchased 2 wonderful razors from a company and gentleman who provided me with great Service and wonderful shaving equipment. Personally I think it is time for a moderator to close this thread.

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#118

Member
Detroit
(03-15-2019, 04:44 PM)shaveSymptomatic Wrote: Seriously? We're going to keep hammering the same things?
Your previous posts don't prove anything, except for the fact that Avi's previous business venture was unsuccessful. Guess what..... most businesses fail! Plus, people who support a crowd funding campaign should know that there's a risk that the product might not come to fruition.
We don't know much else beyond that, everything else is speculation.
While you guys sit and complain and remain resentful, I'll be enjoying the heck out of my RS-10, so will be the others that purchased one Smile

Ripping people off would be considered far worse than just "unsuccessful" in my eyes.

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- Jeff
#119

veteran
Down South
(This post was last modified: 03-15-2019, 07:03 PM by martini.)
To the member who provided the two "informative" links and keeps pounding the drum, ready to send Avi to firing squad.

How do you feel after reproducing Avi’s letter on another wet shaving forum, two days ago? You took it from another member with intention to reveal it. Why not do the same thing here? Maybe because the reason for Raw Shaving closing is very simple and common and has nothing to do with things in the past, as you already know.

And why are you ready to hang up the guy for something he did (or not?) in the past. Why not leave the authorities to make this judgment and you stop bringing “details” and “facts”, one after another with every post. If members here are interested they can find everything on the net (the same “trusty source” you use) and make their own decision. Your biased view and inclination of a conman who took $91,572 of other people's money and maybe??? used them (or not!) to start his razor business is pure speculation and shouldn’t been even mentioned here, IMO.

I cannot understand why you are kicking this guy so hard when he is down now and you try at the same time to convince otherwise all of his wet shaving supporters, who experienced great service and pleasure enjoying his truly marvelous and outstanding products. That's very low ... to say the least.

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#120
All I know is the site closed and the RS 10 is no longer available for sale. My couple of experiences with Avi and his razors was very good. He gave me good customer service and I got a great shaving razor. So what he did or didn't do in his past business dealings is none of my business and all know is it seems like some members have a personal vendetta against the man but more so his razors before any of this other stuff came out. I agree with the above post. Let authorities make a judgement call and stop trying to bury the guy when you don't know the whole story in its entirety. I also agree this thread should be closed as it's gone way off the OP message and now seems like a witch hunt. I'm signing off this thread as well as it seems pointless to listen to the same redireck over and over again.

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