Pronunciation of World Products

I see it like this... we all sit here typing and communicating through the written word. We have all pretty much agreed that it is unnecessary to correct poor spelling, grammar, and punctuation. It's beneficial, educational and of great value to be able to spell, punctuate, and use proper grammar, but it's rude to nitpick someone, especially if English is not their first language.

Why is the pronunciation of foreign words, and the correction thereof, not treated with the same sense of respect and understanding?


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I see it like this... we all sit here typing and communicating through the written word. We have all pretty much agreed that it is unnecessary to correct poor spelling, grammar, and punctuation. It's beneficial, educational and if great value to be able to spell, punctuate, and use proper grammar, but it's rude to nitpick someone, especially if English is not there first language.

Why is the pronunciation of foreign words, and the correction thereof, not treated with the same sense of respect and understanding?


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This is why I stated earlier that it all comes down to presentation. I want to learn but I don't want to be looked down upon. We truly can have both.

I've worked with a lot of American guys with varying degrees of English fluency and critical thinking. I reposted this information from a  five year old post on TSN I started then. The contributions were literally worldwide and not one poster felt it an affront. I apologize in failing to recognize today's shaving tribes embrace of studied mediocrity , xenophobia and parochial comfort zones and will refrain from posting beyond lists  of top five blades, why MWF is overrated, rumours of product discontinuance and  shave of the day.

If you do that, KAV, then the very thing you are trying to accomplish is lost.  Take a look at some of the responses and you will see that, while they are mixed, curiosity is still out there among our members.  Just because some of us may not care for change (many times, guilty as charged ) doesn't mean that there isn't curiosity and the desire to learn.

It's not a matter of not wanting to learn or change so much as not wanting to be made to feel inferior by comparison.

Being corrected sucks. Even more so when done with a sense of arrogance. Being made to feel as though a mispronunciation of a completely foreign word you've only ever heard in your head is a condemnable offense is very disheartening and makes a man not want to interact...at least not in person...


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Sir, not every post is directed at you personally.

When someone takes the time to help me correctly pronounce a foreign word, I appreciate their effort.

If you do that, KAV, then the very thing you are trying to accomplish is lost.  Take a look at some of the responses and you will see that, while they are mixed, curiosity is still out there among our members.  Just because some of us may not care for change (many times, guilty as charged ) doesn't mean that there isn't curiosity and the desire to learn.

It's not a matter of not wanting to learn or change so much as not wanting to be made to feel inferior by comparison.

Being corrected sucks. Even more so when done with a sense of arrogance. Being made to feel as though a mispronunciation of a completely foreign word you've only ever heard in your head is a condemnable offense is very disheartening and makes a man not want to interact...at least not in person...


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Sir, not every post is directed at you personally.

I thought it was a conversation. When I have a conversation with people, I try to speak from my own experiences and perspective. I thought that is what we all did...

KAV and I have never had a verbal conversation. Not sure how he could intend to include me in his original post, nor how I could pretend it was about me considering he has never heard me pronounce any words, ever...

Having a contrary opinion does not mean I am being argumentative. I just perceive it differently. I thought that was allowed...

Accents are one of the great comedic vehicles - it all comes down to intent. Are you trying to belittle or offend someone or not. Lots of pronunciations are colloquial and theres no way you're going to get folks to pronounce things differently than how its pronounced where they're from even if it is "correct". I pronounce "Chatillon Lux" the way I think it should be from its spelling, however, a few weeks back I listened in to a live video feed put on by some shaving luminary who's name eludes me at the moment but an American, and let me tell you, it wouldn't occur to me in a million years to pronounce "Chatillon Lux" the way he did. Who's right who's wrong? I don't know, lets ask hawns how he pronounces it. I'm still not sure that would change my pronunciation though.

Basically it comes down to non-english speakers sometimes have trouble with pronunciation of english words and english speakers often have trouble with pronunciation of foreign language words. Thats it, no offence intended, its just a fact.

I find this thread a bit silly. KAV, thanks for the pronunciation help; unfortunately, I have never had to say any of those words out loud as I order online and discuss the items in a written formate rather than a spoken format. I am blessed and have traveled the world speaking English and just poquito Spanish. My pronunciation attempts, while often incorrect, have always been accepted and appreciated. Some humor usually ensues at my expense and that is what this thread is lacking. Humor. It is no more appropriate to believe a French speaker will properly pronounce an English word they are unfamiliar with, than to expect an English speaker to properly pronounce an unknown French word. Language is learned and not everyone gets the opportunity to learn a foreign language. Now, if manufacturers put pronunciation on the label, it would be different but they don't. So KAV why the need to criticize someone for not having all the knowledge you have? Because that is how your post came across to me.

So KAV why the need to criticize someone for not having all the knowledge you have? Because that is how your post came across to me.

This is how I perceived it as well. It sounded more like "Here's how these words are pronounced, you stupid Americans!" rather than trying to be "helpful". Then the accusations of xenophobia get thrown in there. Nice...SMH.

So KAV why the need to criticize someone for not having all the knowledge you have? Because that is how your post came across to me.

This is how I perceived it as well. It sounded more like "Here's how these words are pronounced, you stupid Americans!" rather than trying to be "helpful". Then the accusations of xenophobia get thrown in there. Nice...SMH.

I'm just glad I'm not the only one that perceived it to be more of an accusation than a demonstration of helpfulness...

Accents are one of the great comedic vehicles - it all comes down to intent. Are you trying to belittle or offend someone or not. Lots of pronunciations are colloquial and theres no way you're going to get folks to pronounce things differently than how its pronounced where they're from even if it is "correct". I pronounce "Chatillon Lux" the way I think it should be from its spelling, however, a few weeks back I listened in to a live video feed put on by some shaving luminary who's name eludes me at the moment but an American, and let me tell you, it wouldn't occur to me in a million years to pronounce "Chatillon Lux" the way he did. Who's right who's wrong? I don't know, lets ask hawns how he pronounces it. I'm still not sure that would change my pronunciation though.

Basically it comes down to non-english speakers sometimes have trouble with pronunciation of english words and english speakers often have trouble with pronunciation of foreign language words. Thats it, no offence intended, its just a fact.

People ask me how they should pronounce our name or some of the scents, and I tell them they should pronounce it however they would like. After all, St. Louis finds new and unique ways to mispronounce French words thanks to an extinct dialect, Missouri French/Paw Paw French.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_French
http://news.stlpublicradio.org/post/pard...reet-names