#31

That Bald Guy with the Big Beard
Bishop, CA
You know, I have never visited Reddit for any reason. Truth be told, reading through this topic regarding Reddit and how it functions, gives me even less reason to visit than I had previously. I don't do well with follow-the-leader forums and bleacher thinking...

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#32

Member
Woodstock, VT
That and it seems like a very young crowd to me moving at faster pace than I can keep up!

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#33
(This post was last modified: 04-21-2017, 04:52 PM by Tbone.)
(04-20-2017, 08:07 PM)BadDad Wrote: You know, I have never visited Reddit for any reason. Truth be told, reading through this topic regarding Reddit and how it functions, gives me even less reason to visit than I had previously. I don't do well with follow-the-leader forums and bleacher thinking...
If people had applied that line of reasoning to traditional wetshaving, the current revival would never have taken place. To avoid every place someone on a shaving forum doesn't​ like, you would have to close your web browser.

Passing Reddit because people here say so is following the leader. Why not check it out, come to your own conclusions, and let us know what you think? It is a different experience than a traditional forum, but sometimes new experiences can be enlightening. Leisureguy is on there, so it can't be all bad.
#34

Member
Woodstock, VT
Leisureguy has helped a lot of people out and his daily shaving blog is well done.

The only problem I see with Reddit's Wicked Edge is when someone posts in a thread it does not get bumped up to the top but stays right where it is. As of this morning there are 91,049 members. Threads and their posts get buried pretty quickly and disappear.

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#35

That Bald Guy with the Big Beard
Bishop, CA
(04-21-2017, 04:51 PM)Tbone Wrote:
(04-20-2017, 08:07 PM)BadDad Wrote: You know, I have never visited Reddit for any reason. Truth be told, reading through this topic regarding Reddit and how it functions, gives me even less reason to visit than I had previously. I don't do well with follow-the-leader forums and bleacher thinking...
If people had applied that line of reasoning to traditional wetshaving, the current revival would never have taken place.  To avoid every place someone on a shaving forum doesn't like, you would have to close your web browser.

Passing Reddit because people here say so is following the leader.  Why not check it out, come to your own conclusions, and let us know what you think?  It is a different experience than a traditional forum, but sometimes new experiences can be enlightening.  Leisureguy is on there, so it can't be all bad.

First, let me be clear--I have not avoided Reddit because of what people have said here. I have avoided Reddit because every experience I have had with that place, either directly or indirectly, has left a bad taste in my mouth, from the format to the group-think mentality, where if you don't agree with the majority, you are disregarded and disrespected. Having never set up an account there does not mean I have never been directed, redirected, or linked to a forum post there. This is not just evident in wet shaving sub-categories, either.

The fact that other people had similar reactions, and have reinforced my decision, is by no means "following the leader". It is a reinforcement of a decision already made.

The very format of Reddit promotes group-think. The very fact that you can gang up on a topic and vote it into obscurity just by following the sheeple does not interest me. At all. Not even enough to "check it out" and "...let us know what you think...". I think the format is garbage, and I have no interest in participating. It's the same for the vast majority of Facebook shaving groups. If you disagree with one of the big names, you are disrespected into obscurity, even if what you state is accurate...just because you talked against the big name, or whatever...

I prefer small forums, like DFS, where personal opinions are appreciated. I prefer interaction that is both respectful and engaging, even if it is a disagreement.

Also, I don't believe the revival of wet shaving is dependent on the internet. It has been aided by the internet, and emboldened and hastened by the internet, but not dependent on it, outside of the availability of online sales. Not knowing that other people are enjoying the hobby is not the same as nobody else enjoying the hobby...

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#36
One feature I like about DFS is the "like" button. This is similar to the Reddit upvote in that it recognizes good contributions, but unlike the upvote, it doesn't facilitate buried new or contradictory posts.


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#37
(04-21-2017, 05:24 PM)vtmax Wrote: Leisureguy has helped a lot of people out and his daily shaving blog is well done.

The only problem I see with Reddit's Wicked Edge is when someone posts in a thread it does not get bumped up to the top but stays right where it is. As of this morning there are 91,049 members. Threads and their posts get buried pretty quickly and disappear.
True, but those posts at the top also had to start somewhere. Threads and posts constantly changing at the top is part of the appeal of Reddit, I think. It keeps things lively, and also largely neutralizes temper tantrums and shilling. Locating posts on a particular subject can be done by running a search. It is a little different than a forum like this, where we simply look in categorized sub-forums, but is works pretty well. The primary Reddit disadvantage, in my opinion at least, is that images cannot be embedded within posts. Wicked Edge looks like it is more for learning than anything else. Those who hang out on forums to focus on caching and socializing will likely find it quite disappointing. To each his or her own.

(04-20-2017, 08:07 PM)BadDad Wrote: You know, I have never visited Reddit for any reason. Truth be told, reading through this topic regarding Reddit and how it functions, gives me even less reason to visit than I had previously. I don't do well with follow-the-leader forums and bleacher thinking...
Follow-the-leader and bleacher thinking are found, and sometimes mandated, on nearly all the wetshaving forums. Damn Fine Shave is one of the very few exceptions I have found. Like Reddit, Damn Fine Shave is not beholden to any particular commercial interest. Some other forums are not so lucky, and the pressure to conform is often intense. The same applies to many other special interest forums. One of the reasons people flock to such places is to find like-minded individuals.

As for the voting feature in Reddit, people having the same views on something hardly makes them "sheeple". Democracy and groupthink are not always synonymous, even on a forum. The "sheeple" label could just as easily be applied to people here who like a particular post. Likes by multiple people are not necessarily follow-the-leader, although I have seen cases of it degenerating into fawning booty-kissing on other forums.

Quote:It's the same for the vast majority of Facebook shaving groups. If you disagree with one of the big names, you are disrespected into obscurity, even if what you state is accurate...just because you talked against the big name, or whatever...

I prefer small forums, like DFS, where personal opinions are appreciated. I prefer interaction that is both respectful and engaging, even if it is a disagreement.
I totally agree with you there. Many special interests have a cluster of forums. One often becomes much larger than the rest, and develops a domineering, conformist, for-profit attitude. Smaller forums spring up as a result. In my experience, it is on these forums where the best information and most even-tempered behavior can be found.

Quote:Also, I don't believe the revival of wet shaving is dependent on the internet. It has been aided by the internet, and emboldened and hastened by the internet, but not dependent on it, outside of the availability of online sales. Not knowing that other people are enjoying the hobby is not the same as nobody else enjoying the hobby...
If not for the Internet, then how would people have found out about traditional wetshaving? Most (all?) of us knew about the existence of shaving soaps, mugs, brushes, and perhaps even double-edge safety razors. How may of us would have known about how to use them properly, or of the various retail sources, the cost savings, etc. without the Internet? Sure, Corey Greenberg's Today show segment probably did more than anything to promote traditional shaving, but then what?

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#38

Member
Detroit
I totally agree with Tbone's last paragraph there. I don't think wetshaving would be much of a "hobby" without the internet. Sure, I knew about old shaving brushes, mugs and the like, but without research on the internet, I wouldn't have thought of it as a better way to shave. And I definitely wouldn't have thought of it as a hobby until I got sucked in myself!

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#39

Member
Woodstock, VT
Corey Greenberg came and went. A couple of forums were very active before his TV appearance in 2006 and the wet shaving community was alive and strong. Whenever I walked into Trumpers or Truefitt they were buzzing as was Cambridge Chemists in Manhattan. We had meet ups quite a bit. He jumped in with full gusto then disappeared. Burnt himself out.

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(This post was last modified: 04-23-2017, 02:34 AM by Tbone.)
(04-22-2017, 09:40 PM)vtmax Wrote: Corey Greenberg came and went. A couple of forums were very active before his TV appearance in 2006 and the wet shaving community was alive and strong. Whenever I walked into Trumpers or Truefitt they were buzzing as was Cambridge Chemists in Manhattan. We had meet ups quite a bit. He jumped in with full gusto then disappeared. Burnt himself out.
So that's what happened to him.  Perhaps his curiosity was satisfied?  There were the Wetshavers group on MSN Groups, and the now-archived Straight Razor Place on Yahoo Groups, but Mr. Greenberg instantly reached millions of viewers.

For those who have not seen it, here is the TV segment that jumpstarted the wetshaving revival:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y11RdqSP1OI

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