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(01-03-2017, 09:50 PM)CHSeifert Wrote:
(01-03-2017, 09:11 PM)merelymoe Wrote: I've never really had an issue with MWF and my water is on the hardish side.  

I did find that Institut Karite is in a similar vein as MWF in post shave feel and scent but much easier to lather (a little slicker too for me).  Worth a try if MWF doesn't work for you.


I'm no longer sure the hard water is the main reason why MWF will not work for so many.
I believe either a chemical used in the water or an oil in some peoples skin makes MWF impossible to lather.

I have no reason to believe only hard water is causing the problems solely any longer.

I have heard that Danish water is especially hard... Wink

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Shaving since 1971; enjoying my shaves since 2014
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#22
(12-28-2016, 02:38 AM)KAV Wrote: Pours tea ( a keemun) from my brown betty into a sterling over the teacup strainer. Milk and sugar, Aunt Violet? Oh thankyou, yes and now; what ever is this Clause person going on about Mitchell's Wool  Fat. Is he another american? Nothing personal. No, danish. Well, we  must make allowances, but do explain things for him.
Centers tie knot and pulls cuffs down to display gold art deco british cufflinks. Discrete throat clearing cough behind napkin
Mitchell's Wool Fat has been around since 1893 in the same stone building scarcely bigger than many 'artisan'  facilities of today. It is largely unchanged except by the onerous dictates of regulatory bodies insisting on protecting us from ourselves. Six generations of men have thought enough to keep MWF profitable while other enterprises have come and gone. Few soaps can boast such longevity  or value pricepoint. Is it for everyone? Of course not and we happy few would never deign to impose it on others so not inclined or blessed.
Well done, I see there are two russian tea cookies left.

Actually the company has been around since 1983...the recipe is supposedly from 1893.

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#23
MWF is something I had a love/hate relationship with. It was mostly hate when I first got it, many years ago. I had essentially the same experience as the OP.

Then, somewhere along the line, I figured it out. In my case, this is what worked:

1) Pour some warm water on the puck, and then immediately dump it out. I use this on all my soaps, so it's not specific to MWF. I just like to have the surface of my soaps wet when I use them.
2) Use whatever brush (usually badger or synthetic) - load until I think it's done. Then load for 30 sec more. (I believe all my initial issues with MWF were caused by under-loading the brush).
3) Face lather as usual.

I've moved many times since I started using MWF and unless I've had soft water in every one of these houses (that's not the case) I don't believe that water quality has had anything to do with the good results I've had with MWF.

It's a very hard soap. It takes time to figure out how to use it. Since I've got it to work for me, I've always had excellent lather and great shaves using it. Is it the only soap to perform this well? No. Are there better soaps? Maybe. Should everyone have MWF in their den? No. Am I happy to have it in my den? Yes.

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- Yohann
#24
One of the useful things I learned in the Spanish forums is that some pucks of MWF lather well, and others just don't lather at all. That simple. If you do get the bad puck, you may load for half an hour with one of those brushes witches use for flying, that you won't be able to lather it properly. I experienced this myself with a couple of Shavedash samples. I was a newbie by then and ordered a MWF sample and a Kent sample, just to see if it was true that it was the same soap. I was surprised to find out that the scent in the Kent sample was faint, and much more perceivable in the MWF sample. But then I learned that the Kent sample lathered perfectly, no problem, and the MWF sample would only lather in "superlather" mode together with a cream, as our friend CHSeifert says.
I shared this with my fellows at the Spanish forums and I was told that their experience was that the Kent soaps usually turned out to be better than the MWF "original" soaps, for who knows what reason. Perhaps that Kent is a "luxury" brand with "luxury" standards and that their quality control is better than MWF's own, but that's just speculation. Later on I ordered a Kent puck and bought a used MWF ceramic bowl, and couldn't be happier. The water in my area is medium hard, and I regularly obtain excellent lathers and better shaves out of my Kent soap. It's true that the lather from this soap is not as dense as other soaps' like, say, Tabac or the Eufros Tallow, but it actually doesn't need to be that way. It's a bit more fluffy, but it works perfectly all the same. As long as it doesn't vanish on my face (well, that happens with my Mystics quite often...), I'm happy, and it won't do that.
I personally consider MWF as a classic that is still able to cope with the big dogs out there. It's the old, wise man, still able to teach a few lessons to the youngsters, with a simple formulation that lacks all the bells and whistles of the modern soaps, thoroughly equipped with Shea butter, Tussah  silk, Rhassoul and all those things. It definitely has a place in my rotation, and I rotate it every week. I agree that it works best with boar brushes and it's with boar brushes that I prefer to use it. Another "secret" to lather it is that it requires a generous load. If your brush is not able to load enough, even after soaking the puck, pick up the puck in your hands and rub it against your face in the same fashion you would do with a shaving stick.

So, if you're having that much trouble with a MWF puck, my advice is that you use it for washing your hands or combine it with some other cream and "superlather" it. Just get another puck and chances are that it will work better than the old one.

By the way, last time I used my MWF, I was told that even my hands were super soft that day. I told her what soap I had used for shaving and she said that if it left the skin so soft, she might use it for washing her hands some day Big Grin . Just a hint on another use for a MWF puck that won't lather.

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Clause, I am sure you are aware of fellow dane Victor Borge, the late comic of classical music. I was lucky to attend 3 of his shows. What was always cut from any recordings for broadcast were a few serious performances of pianno. Borge was universally aclaimed as one of the finest piannists of his time. My brief training's cardinal lesson was to let my fingers play the keys with no pressure, a skill transferred to shaving. It is said Victor took this even further and was sensing the actual fall of the hammers on strings. I can still hear his performance of Clare da Lune before a silent audience.
I think a lot of products just need an unconsious 'tuning' of technique we don't even recognise. I've always been fortuneate with MWF. It's like a 'dangerous' horse I rode. Nobody TOLD ME that Bad Bob damn near killed an idiot 'trainer.' I just treated him like a horse ( respect) and we got along, riding out of the barn as horsey women clutched children to their bosoms recoiling in fear and panic.

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#26

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(This post was last modified: 03-09-2017, 11:47 PM by Marko.)
I've read through this thread and frankly I don't know what all the fuss is about - there are so many great soaps out there that, for me, lather up like a dream and make my shave a truly enjoyable experience. They do it easily, effortlessly, so why would I want to work so hard to try to appreciate MWF or any other given soap? Life is too short, your next shave may be your last. Heck, your last shave may be your last. Do you want to spend it trying to make MWF work for you? I know I don't. For me, MWF doesn't have enough going for it to be in my rotation. I gave it a fair shake and it didn't make the cut. Sorry, moving on. My opinion.

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#27

Member
Detroit
I'm with you Marko. I gave it a shot early on in my wetshaving journey. Although I don't remember having a super hard time lathering it, I also don't remember anything special about it either. The scent is "meh" to nonexistent and the "legendary" post shave feel wasn't any better than say B&M or Mystic Water, etc.

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#28

Member
MD Eastern Shore
This has been an interesting conversation. I finally broke down and bought some MWF and Tabac this past January and found them on a par--easy to lather and excellent shaves from both. Anyway, I bowl lather using badger brushes and have had not problems with either. Perhaps I was just lucky(?) Now, TBT, I find the new B&M and Reefpoint soaps even better in terms of slickness, cushion and post-shave face feel.

I guess it's the variety that makes this hobby so interesting.

Have a great day, Gentlemen!

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#29

Posting Freak
(03-12-2017, 11:54 AM)ESBrushmaker Wrote: This has been an interesting conversation.  I finally broke down and bought some MWF and Tabac this past January and found them on a par--easy to lather and excellent shaves from both.  Anyway, I bowl lather using badger brushes and have had not problems with either.   Perhaps I was just lucky(?)   Now, TBT, I find the new B&M and Reefpoint soaps  even better in terms of slickness, cushion and post-shave face feel.

I guess it's the variety that makes this hobby so interesting.

Have a great day, Gentlemen!

Apples and oranges. I love Tabac and it is a regular for me. It lathers like a champ, its slick and it has scent. MWF lathers well but I don't find it as slick and its just a mild soapy smell so its gone permanently to the end the bench never to see the light of day.
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There may be intangibles at play too. As I get older there is a certain comfort in the familiar and associations. I know contemporary autos are safer and capable ( should a german computer engineer not cheat) of reduced pollution and superior mileage and performance. But for me a proper car is something british with leather seats, wood interior trim, manual gearbox, Lucas Laird of Darkness electrics and painted british racing green. My nutritionists has me eating all this healthy food which I enjoy. But I will be damned if I take up green tea unless having tempura. My tea is black with milk and demerara sugar cubes. I niether subscribe nor approve of wetshavers 'getting religion' and strangling the inner magpie for some sensible Shaker simplicity. I know what I like; but have learned to distrust secure supplies in today's world. I want to open my cabinet and have cakes of MWF, Klars Dusy russian blade packs and Penhaligons ribboned bottles approaching stores for a Shackelton run at the Pole.

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