#11
In the beginning it was the longevity and the low cost of DE blades that drew me in and if I stopped there then I would have saved a fortune as well as gotten far better shaves but then much like car detailing for me beforehand I learned more about different products and we all know what happened next. 
I used to shave twice a week when I used cartridges and canned foam because I hated shaving , it was uncomfortable , expensive and a very empty experience for me. Now I shave five or six times a week and I look forward to picking out my razor , brush, soap, aftershave etc. It's transformed how I feel about myself , rather than have an extra 30 mins in bed before work I'll get up and spend my time preparing myself for the day ahead with a shave and if you feel good about yourself because of this then I think that beams out of you and is reflected in your interactions with people. It's as close as I get to meditating and the ritualistic aspect of it provides a stability and calmness I enjoy.
For me this can only be a good thing and if I go a little overboard with the spending every so often , so what I could be wasting money gambling and drinking to excess and ruining my life and everyone around me.

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#12
I was 15 when I first started using DE razors,I am 33 now and particularly fond of straights now and have been for the last 3-4 years. I was gifted a gillete three piece and never needed more until I fell into the web a few years back. Definitely an eye opening experience to realize I wasn't alone anymore. cheers .

-cam-

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(06-23-2015, 01:47 AM)caleb31 Wrote: I was 15 when I first started using DE razors,I am 33 now and particularly fond of straights now and have been for the last 3-4 years. I was gifted a gillete three piece and never needed more until I fell into the web a few years back. Definitely an eye opening experience to realize I wasn't alone anymore. cheers .

-cam-

I only wish I had gotten into it sooner.

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(06-22-2015, 11:57 PM)RzaRazor Wrote: Very simple on my end. First, I wanted a closer shave that I couldn't get with a cartridge. Secondly, it was cheaper to buy safety razor blades than cartridges.

indeed. 100 quality DE blades (astra sp) for like $11 on amazon that should last right around a year? heck yeah!!!!!!

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(This post was last modified: 06-24-2015, 05:50 AM by stroppinglad.)
(06-22-2015, 11:26 PM)Freddy Wrote:
(06-22-2015, 11:24 PM)andrewjs18 Wrote:
(06-22-2015, 01:33 PM)Andyshaves Wrote: Sorry Catie, but I don't mean your bubbles. Mens grooming is an exploding industry at the moment. Men are spending more on grooming and personal care than at any point in the past (at least, domestically) and companies are finding new and inventive ways to jump into the water. For shaving, traditional shaving has the glimmer of a "personal luxury." To be fair, millennial are making less than previous generations, and so "young degrees" are more drawn to luxury brands than previous generations (think Starbucks, Chipotle, Apple, Abercrombie & Fitch, etc.). The challenge is that more young people than ever can't afford these "luxuries."
So let's talk about the bubble. Why do you think that mens grooming has been on such a rocket-ship trajectory in the past few years? Why are men now spending more on personal care than previous generations, do you think this trend extends across the board or is it centralized in a specific generation (Baby-Boomers, Gen X, Gen Y, Millenials), and is there an end to the trend? Does the bubble burst? Or is this part of the new norm for mens grooming?

I think most men were tired of a few things, 1 being the high cost to buy cartridge refills and 2 the terrible shave they generally offer up.  unless your beard isn't coarse and you don't have different growth patterns, your shaves were typically pretty horrible - at least mine were.

I don't really agree with you though that the rebirth of traditional wet shaving isn't affordable.  if people buy a product that works for them and limit their purchase to just that, the gear is very affordable and sustainable.

Very true, Andrew.  It's just that in my case the willpower really sucks. Tongue

(06-22-2015, 01:33 PM)Andyshaves Wrote: Sorry Catie, but I don't mean your bubbles. Mens grooming is an exploding industry at the moment. Men are spending more on grooming and personal care than at any point in the past (at least, domestically) and companies are finding new and inventive ways to jump into the water. For shaving, traditional shaving has the glimmer of a "personal luxury." To be fair, millennial are making less than previous generations, and so "young degrees" are more drawn to luxury brands than previous generations (think Starbucks, Chipotle, Apple, Abercrombie & Fitch, etc.). The challenge is that more young people than ever can't afford these "luxuries."
So let's talk about the bubble. Why do you think that mens grooming has been on such a rocket-ship trajectory in the past few years? Why are men now spending more on personal care than previous generations, do you think this trend extends across the board or is it centralized in a specific generation (Baby-Boomers, Gen X, Gen Y, Millenials), and is there an end to the trend? Does the bubble burst? Or is this part of the new norm for mens grooming?

I started shaving with a DE about twenty years ago. As a kid I watched my uncle shave with a Gillette Super Speed and couldn't wait until I could do it. But when it came time to shave I started with the Atra and was a cartridge guy. MY GF used a Merkur slant to shave her legs. I tried it and that was it. I bought a bunch of vintage Gillettes on ebay and a couple at an antique shop. They were inexpensive then. I loved the idea of avoiding getting sucked into corporate America with all its advertising and multi blade bullshit. I loved the retro look and feel and the fact that the blades were inexpensive and there were so many brands to try. 

Then one day I stumbled into Pasteur, a pharmacy in New York that specializes in shaving products. This was pre-artisan. I bought TOBS, etc., and eventually a Mergress. My enthusiasm had peaks and valleys. But lately, it's been intense. 

I love the idea that we're supporting small businesses, that we're not giving our money to Big Daddy, and THAT WE HAVE TURNED WHAT MOST GUYS VIEW AS A CHORE OR AN ORDEAL INTO ONE OF THE BEST PARTS OF THE DAY!

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I think the fact that there are alot of great products being released at very good prices bode well for the future of men's grooming products specifically wet shaving. As an example, the new synthetic brushes that are coming out are incredible performers and are as good as some of the premium silver tip brushes that cost several times more. Great examples of this are from Whipped Dog, Plisson and Fine accoutrements to name a few. Some of the new Slant Safety razors such as the Ikon Shavecraft 102 as well as Razorock Stealth Slant when available are exciting products and help make shaving and grooming an absolute pleasure as well as these artisan shave soaps that are out there which are also a joy to use.
#17
(06-22-2015, 11:32 PM)andrewjs18 Wrote:
(06-22-2015, 11:26 PM)Freddy Wrote:
(06-22-2015, 11:24 PM)andrewjs18 Wrote:
(06-22-2015, 01:33 PM)Andyshaves Wrote: Sorry Catie, but I don't mean your bubbles. Mens grooming is an exploding industry at the moment. Men are spending more on grooming and personal care than at any point in the past (at least, domestically) and companies are finding new and inventive ways to jump into the water. For shaving, traditional shaving has the glimmer of a "personal luxury." To be fair, millennial are making less than previous generations, and so "young degrees" are more drawn to luxury brands than previous generations (think Starbucks, Chipotle, Apple, Abercrombie & Fitch, etc.). The challenge is that more young people than ever can't afford these "luxuries."
So let's talk about the bubble. Why do you think that mens grooming has been on such a rocket-ship trajectory in the past few years? Why are men now spending more on personal care than previous generations, do you think this trend extends across the board or is it centralized in a specific generation (Baby-Boomers, Gen X, Gen Y, Millenials), and is there an end to the trend? Does the bubble burst? Or is this part of the new norm for mens grooming?

I think most men were tired of a few things, 1 being the high cost to buy cartridge refills and 2 the terrible shave they generally offer up.  unless your beard isn't coarse and you don't have different growth patterns, your shaves were typically pretty horrible - at least mine were.

I don't really agree with you though that the rebirth of traditional wet shaving isn't affordable.  if people buy a product that works for them and limit their purchase to just that, the gear is very affordable and sustainable.

Very true, Andrew.  It's just that in my case the willpower really sucks. Tongue

oh, buying wet shaving gear can become a serious addiction, FOR SURE.   I think the only downfall to classic shaving is the testing needed to find the right combination that'll work for your shaves.  This is why I typically recommend very common gear that seems to be well regarded in the community: astra sp blades, merkur razors, shaving cream (easier to lather for newbies IMHO) and a decent brush.

Sorry All for the late response to my own thread! Excellent discussions!
#18

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I don't see the bubble bursting anytime soon. Social Media, Forums and the internet in general are bringing in new people every single day. Once a user gets over the initial bumps the hook is generally set quite deep. At this point they tend to tell others about it and it grows from there.

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(06-22-2015, 01:33 PM)Andyshaves Wrote: Sorry Catie, but I don't mean your bubbles. Mens grooming is an exploding industry at the moment. Men are spending more on grooming and personal care than at any point in the past (at least, domestically) and companies are finding new and inventive ways to jump into the water. For shaving, traditional shaving has the glimmer of a "personal luxury." To be fair, millennial are making less than previous generations, and so "young degrees" are more drawn to luxury brands than previous generations (think Starbucks, Chipotle, Apple, Abercrombie & Fitch, etc.). The challenge is that more young people than ever can't afford these "luxuries."
So let's talk about the bubble. Why do you think that mens grooming has been on such a rocket-ship trajectory in the past few years? Why are men now spending more on personal care than previous generations, do you think this trend extends across the board or is it centralized in a specific generation (Baby-Boomers, Gen X, Gen Y, Millenials), and is there an end to the trend? Does the bubble burst? Or is this part of the new norm for mens grooming?

When I first read this, I thought, "Damn, I could write an essay about my thoughts on that!" My second thought, of course, being, why would anyone want to read it. My third thought was my mind's angry voice saying, "That's what's wrong with online conversations, everyone is afraid of saying everything they want to, don't water it down!"


Well, I'm going to try to keep it short, but this topic you bring up is actually striking a nerve with me, and I feel it has a lot to say about a lot of different things, not just this hobby. I'll try to stick to this hobby right now, and if anyone says they are interested in the expansion, I'll write a blog post or two expanding on it.


Right now, the wet shaving industry is experiencing a lot of growth, and mostly as a collection of cottage industries. Razor making entrepreneurs, soap makers, cream designers, and internet stores selling it all at better quality and for the most part better price points than their only real Brick and Mortar competition, Art of Shaving. A deep look at the forums and communities online dedicated to wet shaving shows that while membership consists of a wide variety of ages, for the most part, the community's growth in new members largely consists of younger people, mostly Gen X and Millennials. At least from everything I've heard, I don't really have much in the way of inside information to back this up. But it seems like outside of those two age groups, membership has either been around for more than five years, or they are new sign up outliers.


Personally, I was born in 1981. That is a strange year, because when you talk to sociologists who determine the Gen X / Millennial date ranges, some count that as being Gen X's tail end, others as the headwater years of the Millennial generation. To borrow a term from my Baby Boomer aunt, I sit on the cusp, I guess. As such, I feel that I take a variety of traits considered typical of both generations for myself. I look around at my financial situation and look at historic trends from people of the same age, with similar work history and experience over the previous generations, and I get angry that it seems like I just can't make any way up in the pay scales, typical Millennial. I have a very determined attitude of screw the status quo, I can get this done, and I can figure it out on my own, no matter what holds me down, typical Gen X. Also, I do prefer the enjoyment of things considered luxury and things that feel like they pamper me. Most consider that typical Millennial, but really, I think that is typical human. I mean, come on, is there anyone who really wants to drink Folgers if they can afford a brand of coffee that doesn't taste vaguely of mold? Perhaps more pertinently, anyone acquired the taste for razor rash instead of irritation free shaves? Dried out skin because of a canned product rather than a good, fine soap? Didn't really think so.


As such, wet shaving speaks to me on both levels. The pragmatic Gen Xer in me likes the idea that after a minimal set up, for instance mine, which ran me $25, I can have a razor and brush. Now, a razor can last a while, so long, in fact, that many from over a century ago are regularly discussed as being IN USE by members of the wet shave communities. A brush will likely need to be replaced several times over the life of a shaver, but that is because the shaver's life-cycle starts at around 12 - 15 years of age and continues until death, about 70 years later on average, while a brush will last about 10 - 15 years of regular use. Not a major investment at $80 for a low-end, high-quality brush, and definitely not for the $10 horse hair I start with. Past that, I have to buy soaps and blades. I can buy a case of 12 Arko sticks for around $13 on Amazon.com, and my preferred blades, Astra SP, at about $11 for a hundred blades. Using that combo, I don't experience enough razor burn to dignify the use of aftershave, so I don't buy it. If I do get the occasional irritation, I use a bit of witch hazel of facial astringent, which as a father and husband, we always have in the house anyway. So total, my shaving costs, after the purchase of the razor and brush, adds up to about $18.50 every year. That is practical.


On the desire for luxury level, I get to daily take an entire routine that leave my face feeling clean, smooth, and moisturized. While it can easily be argued that Arko is not the most luxurious soap out there, and rightly so, when I am paying less than $20 a year on my regular shaves, the occasional expense of a more luxurious cream or soap is not something I have to feel guilty about, even when I make as little as I do. Compared to $15 a month for blades, $10 a month for gels and foams, and $8 every two months for aftershave, spending even an extra $80 a year on luxury soaps, I come out ahead of the old game.


Additionally, the marketing machine of shaving in the current day says I need to spend the above. To save you some math, it comes to $348 a year. The Gen X side of me says to hell with that with every fibre of its being. The Millennial in me, after having felt a good wet shave, screams no to the irritation and all-around crapitude of that much money for that much irritation. No matter how you shake it out, I can't get the smell out of the rug, so to speak.


So, in short, with the coming of age of a group, the Gen Xers, who are typified by a "Screw the man" attitude not really seen since the 70s, and the luxury love of the Millennials, I don't think this is going away. However, I do think it is a bubble economy. I see this as similar to the suburban expansion of the 1950s. It was a bubble in that it did blow out, and it has never been as lucrative, relatively speaking, as it was during those days. However, suburbs have NOT gone away, and they have grown. I see traditional wet shaving, then, not as a bubble market, not as a temporary craze, but as a renaissance market. It has existed since before the American Revolution. Men have shaved since before the Roman Empire, for crying out loud! The means of delivery may have changed, but the basics haven't. We got away from those basics with the cartridge craziness of the recent generation of shavers, but we are rediscovering those basics now. And we are rediscovering them without the oversight of approval of any marketers, without the speed of iPads or crash diets, but we are rediscovering it with the certainty of a grassroots movement grounded in community and tied globally by the internet. Things like that generally don't die out. They shrink temporarily, they expand influence and retract notice, but they never go away completely.


If you've made it this far (1,000+ words!), thank you. You are truly patient. I am sorry that I was so verbose, this isn't generally my typical rate of reply. This one struck a nerve, though, and like I said, I have actually kept it short compared to the rest of what I could say on the subject. But that is for a different time, and only if there is anyone who wants to hear it.

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It does feel like this could be a bubble, because so many new artisans have emerged over the last two years or so in every category: soaps, brushes, razors, etc. I think it is due to the influence of the internet, especially videos like the famous "shave like your grandpa," and others like it. I got frustrated with the price of cartridges always going up and not enjoying the shave at all. I convinced myself and my wife that DE shaving would be cheaper, but it hasn't been so far as I struggle with acquisition disorders, mostly for soaps. (I have decided to sign up for "no buy July" in another forum to help me curb this problem).

Now, will the bubble burst? Most likely it will at some point, as all bubbles do, leaving only the best positioned artisans able to keep going.


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