#121
(12-27-2022, 10:12 AM)zaclikestoshave Wrote: I always liked how the Carbon razors handle with Kai blades (for me personally though, not a nice pairing in the original geometry). Not surprised your shave with the Kai and the ++ went well. Maybe try the + plate with the Kai. Curious if you can try seeing how the r2 handle works if you let the bottom rest on your pinky and as you mentioned early, try holding toward the top of the handle with the support underneath. Maybe it works for me with larger hands but over time, I use the carbon fiber and stainless combo handle the most. Sometimes I use the Ti/carbon fiber when I want to really be in control of the pressure around the blade. Most of the time, the increased weight of the stainless in the handle is what helps pull the blade along with the right amount of weight and pressure for my skin/beard.

Again, nice shave writeups rocket  . Nice to see the thread active with some detailed posts. Cheers

Thanks for the kind words on the write-ups and additional input from your experience. I will give the alternative r2 handle positioning a try. It's interesting to hear your feedback on the carbon hybrid handles, as I overlooked the fact that a SS/carbon fiber option was available. I normally favor a Ti razor because it can often provide an extended range of pressure application and control. That extended pressure application range can behave like a narrow band adjustable razor, allowing one to "dial up" or "dial down" efficiency, albeit over a limited range. 

Yet, I keep coming back to the Cx-316L variant. There is something about the full SS version, presumably weight, that is providing optimal shaves. I had my best shave yet with the 316L ++ and Kai combination. I still have to complete a write up for that session.

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#122
(12-27-2022, 09:03 PM)CarbonShavingCo. Wrote: rocket  and all...these are fascinating reads. As a small business I can't thank you all enough for this feedback. Its really cool to read and to get your thoughts, initial impressions, techniques and observations. As you talk blade choice, weight, balance and all its very insightful. Thank you...

On a separate note...I want to wish you all a happy new year. Thank you so much for the support and feedback this year.

Stay well and thanks again...

Sean

Sean,

I am so glad to hear the feedback has been helpful! It has been a wonderful experience participating in this pass around. And I appreciate you providing an opportunity for myself and other forum members to sample your excellent craftsmanship. Sadly, I only have a couple more sessions (and write-ups) left before needing to hand off the razor set. But, it has been an absolute pleasure sampling the various configurations.

Wishing you the best of success in the new year!

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#123
(This post was last modified: 12-29-2022, 02:11 AM by rocket.)
These Are The Droids You’re Looking For
Carbon Shaving Evaluation Series
Session 5: Cx-316L/Web ++

SESSION SETUP

Razor: Carbon Cx-316L/Web [SB++ plate]
Blade: Kai [2]
Brush: Brad Sears Wanderer 26mm
Lather: Ethos Succès [F base]
Post: House of Mammoth Alive Aftershave Splash

AESTHETICS and HANDLING
Please refer to my previous review for more details on the aesthetics of this razor.

PERFORMANCE

A brief report for this session, which took place two days prior to the posting date...

As the session began, I took note of how effortlessly lather was produced with the ever luscious Ethos Succès in F base. With several layers of lather applied, the Carbon Cx glided downwards, removing stubble that was signaled only by a whisper quiet dissection of hair tumbling past the razor’s guard. A gratifying sensation washed over the remainder of the pass, as I confirmed this razor configuration offered the highest compatibility with my beard and shaving style. As confidence increased, I wondered why a stainless steel based razor would edge out its titanium counterpart, on almost every experiential dimension: perceived smoothness, face feel, and overall comfort. Given the same design and geometry of the Ti variant it would seemingly come down to weight. This is a conundrum still not fully answered given my typical preference for the Ti weight regime and face feel.

The remainder of the session continued relatively uneventful other than a moment where a small weeper once again prompted vigilance on shaving angle with the Kai blade. With a liberal dose of House of Mammoth Alive now saturating my skin, a reduction in post feedback indicated another level of improvement on technique with the Cx-316L. The only area that still suffers slightly is stubble reduction in the mustache region. I have yet to completely master optimal blade angle and approach with this razor for the ever precarious perch of that small strip of skin.

Overall, this was absolutely my best outcome yet!


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#124
(This post was last modified: 12-29-2022, 06:45 AM by rocket.)
Two Titans Standing Together
Carbon Shaving Evaluation Series
Session 6: Cx-316L/Web ++ & Blackland Blackbird Ti


SESSION SETUP

LEFT SIDE:
Razor: Carbon Cx-316L/Web [SB++ plate]
Blade: Kai [1]

RIGHT SIDE:
Razor: Blackland Blackbird Ti [SB]
Blade: Bic Chrome Platinum [1]

BOTH SIDES:
Brush: Brad Sears Wanderer 26mm
Lather: Ethos Blue Note
Post: Fine Accoutrements Santal Absolut Aftershave


PREFACE
The purpose of this session is not to find a “winner” as much as it is to provide a set of experiences in comparison to a razor that is often a reference baseline for many, including myself. Both of these razors offer compelling design, craftsmanship, performance, and are borne by artisans that care about creating a differentiated shaving experience…

AESTHETICS
Two wonderfully designed razors that project alternative voices in aesthetic. The Blackbird exudes subtle power as it prepares to punch through the upper atmosphere, leaving a wake of propulsive ejecta from the misty clouds. The satin finish is relatively new, but I find it to be an appropriate complement to the clean and modern lines of an iconic handle and head that few would confuse for any other razor. In contrast, the Carbon Cx delivers an unmistakable hallmark with its webbed base plate, an intricate and subtractive design that somehow suggests luxury and strength. The R2 handle offsets the baseplate with a foundation of rugged and dynamic elements that appear prepared for any encounter.  

HANDLING
The Ti Blackbird is perfectly balanced and weighted, ready to turn at a moments notice, while sublimely delivering on a cutting force that seems fully connected with delivered pressure from a shavers hand. The gear ratio is one to one. A incremental application of pressure feels fully translated to the head of the razor in a way that is equally commensurate. I feel in control and completely connected with every millimeter of movement and application of pressure. 

Now becoming more acquainted with the Carbon Cx 316L, I feel a trusted comfort in allowing the razor to do more of the work versus the Blackbird. The Carbon Cx has enough weight and balance to maintain effective momentum through a directional stroke but still provides enough responsiveness to rapidly shift to a new line. The incremental weight also provides just enough mass to smooth out any jittery inputs from the shavers hand, while carving through the tightest of turns.

And while low on the list of priorities, I do want to make note of a small difference: blade tab reveal. While I prefer the aesthetic of a fully enclosed blade, I generally am indifferent to whether a razor exposes blade tabs. In the case of the Cx razor I do feel as if the blade tab reveal is a bit more pronounced than other razors in my current rotation.

PERFORMANCE
Today’s session was prefaced by two days of growth, an unplanned situation that is serendipitous for this comparative shave. As I developed the lather, the Ethos Blue Note provided top notes of clean leather backed by a calming base that welcomed me to an early morning start. One misstep that would revisit me later in the shave was under estimating the amount of starting material needed for the still breaking in Wanderer brush. While the lather appeared sufficient, I would ultimately encounter a small deficit in the final pass.

With a saturated coating applied of Blue Note, I began the right side WTG pass. The Blackbird has been absent from my rotation with the Cx evaluation a full time focus this past week. I quickly re-connected as we worked together in removing that first layer of stubble. The Blackbird overcame all resistance with poise and ease. The ability to modulate pressure and speed was evident as I traversed undulating plane changes across the beard terrain.

Now it was time to engage the Cx-316L. I initiated the WTG pass on the left side when a bit of turbulence was encountered. The first set of strokes were slightly rough with an increase in audible feedback compared to both the Blackbird and all of my previous 316 sessions. I began to explore angle choices and found an adjusted sweet spot. And just like that, the quiet smoothness returned. I am going to attribute that turbulence to a lack of use with heavier growth and the Kai blade pulling me out of my intuition on shaving angle.

Before the session started I set an intention to reduce pressure and speed for this shave. I wanted to minimize risk of mishap but also ensure a full engagement across all strokes. As I continued through the XTG pass, both razors were delivering on performance. In particular the 316L was reaching a new level of smoothness and comfort as I held strict vigilance on pressure application. I was in a flow state with both razors. The handle interface disappeared, and I was just experiencing each stroke directly. After pausing to re-lather for the final ATG pass, a tinge of anxiety emerged. I became aware that I was on track for a perfect shave from both razors, but also one of my top shaves in recent months. Simultaneously, the lather bowl was rather bare as I squeezed out the remaining amounts in the brush. The result was a fairly thin application.

However, the Blackbird was non plussed and deftly handled the finishing pass with strong results. I then switched to the Cx-316L. It too seemed to offer little concern with lather condition. Inspired by the results, I decided to attempt a more direct S-N (Fools pass) on the left side mustache area. And this would result in the one error of the shave. I pulled the Cx-316L from the corner of the mouth to the philtrum, with one long stroke progressively moving northwards. The result was a string of small weepers. Pride cometh before a fall. I clearly do not have enough run time with the Cx for this type of maneuver, but I remain confident that this would ultimately be conquered.

After applying post shave care, no strong feedback was experienced from either side. And with a close inspection, the overall level of BBS was difficult to differentiate from either razor. I did miss a small patch on the right side but chose not to do any clean up to keep this comparison balanced. The post shave shadow may have been ever so slightly higher on the Cx side vs the Blackbird. And of course the upper mustache area on the Cx side was not quite perfect BBS in a few small sections due to the mishap. However the Blackbird side was in excellent condition. I also noticed, a slight amount of redness in a small section adjacent to the Adams apple on the Cx side.

Thirteen hours later: The Blackbird side is presenting a small amount of re-growth really starting at about the 11-12 hour mark in the broader cheek area (in part from the missed section mentioned earlier). The Cx side is just showing signs of regrowth but only on the jawline. Right now I would have to give the edge to the Cx for overall BBS duration. Having said that, the Blackbird performance on the right side upper mustache area is superior compared to the Cx. And I would also give a slight edge to the Blackbird for comfort post shave, particularly in the sensitive neckline.

This was a compelling shave session thanks to the performance of both razors. I am planning a full wrap up in the next day or so to consider all experiences over the shave sessions and some concluding thoughts on the Cx razor configurations.


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#125
(This post was last modified: 12-30-2022, 07:41 PM by rocket.)
The razor set has been disinfected, insured, and shipped. It is now on its way to NJDJ

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#126

Merchant
Minneapolis
Thanks rocket I enjoyed the read...you write well, thanks for taking the time. I enjoyed your journey...

I think your observations on weight are fair...I think this plays a lot into preference and experience. Mokume, Brass and copper are similar weights to our Cx-316L....

I have recently grown a beard in an effort to explore mustaches....first time in my life. Really cool to hear your preferences...

Have an awesome new year all...

Sean

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A small company trying to make a great razor...
#127
Guys,

I received the package tonight and it arrived just fine. I look forward to trying everything out and will report back. Super thrilled to try the Carbon!

-Dean

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#128
andrewjs18 If it's still possible to join this passaround, I'd love to. I'm in Illinois.

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#129
(This post was last modified: 01-07-2023, 05:31 AM by NJDJ.)
I'm going to save my reviews of the shaves themselves for a subsequent post. What I would like to comment on now is the quality of the razors themselves. My compliments to Sean (Carbon) for producing an extremely high quality product. The finish is really good and the threading tolerances are tight.  I believe the manufacturing equals my go to razors, which are Wolfman. You are definitely getting a high quality product with the Carbon razor. I also have to compliment the design. I really like the web base plate, both look and function.

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#130
I am probably the minority here but I do not like the web baseplate.

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