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(09-18-2020, 08:09 AM)Zhang Doe Wrote:
(09-18-2020, 05:01 AM)andrewjs18 Wrote:
(09-18-2020, 04:28 AM)chainsaw Wrote: Thanks GlazedBoker for bringing this to our attention (& george1906 for the Shave Nook source). Considering this & the Paradigm Diamondback 30% discount on blemished razors debacle that happened just recently (can not find that thread - can anyone help me there) I am becoming pretty wary of Andy from Paradigm Razors.

the creator of that thread asked us to remove it as Andy made good with the person in question that the thread was about.

Based on the post, it doesn't seem like the other party thinks things were made good. But hey, if this motivates the other party to bring a new razor to market, we all win. Rivalries can be good for competition. Now if the release price can be low as an additional stick-it-to-him, that would be even better ...

Hi Zhang Doe, I'm a bit confused here with "Based on the post, it doesn't seem like the other party thinks things were made good." and then the following sentence. Who are the 'other party' (s?) you are referring too.

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#12

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Williamsburg, KY
(This post was last modified: 09-18-2020, 09:49 AM by Dave in KY.)
(09-18-2020, 09:33 AM)chainsaw Wrote:
(09-18-2020, 08:09 AM)Zhang Doe Wrote:
(09-18-2020, 05:01 AM)andrewjs18 Wrote: the creator of that thread asked us to remove it as Andy made good with the person in question that the thread was about.

Based on the post, it doesn't seem like the other party thinks things were made good. But hey, if this motivates the other party to bring a new razor to market, we all win. Rivalries can be good for competition. Now if the release price can be low as an additional stick-it-to-him, that would be even better ...

Hi Zhang Doe, I'm a bit confused here with "Based on the post, it doesn't seem like the other party thinks things were made good." and then the following sentence. Who are the 'other party' (s?) you are referring too.

I believe he's confused and mixing the removed thread discussion where things were made good eventually with this discussion. 2 different situations.

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#13

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Singapore
(This post was last modified: 09-18-2020, 10:26 AM by Zhang Doe.)
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Oops. You're right. I thought he meant that Paradigm requested removal of this thread because he had made good with Bullgoose. Reading comprehension issues. My bad.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this what the courts are for? 
Have the involved party's went to court, or planning on it? Where is DanLaw on this?

 The 17-4 razor looks interesting, smoother more efficient.

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Posting Freak
Peachtree City, GA
(This post was last modified: 09-18-2020, 01:09 PM by DanLaw.)
I am staying out of this thread and frankly would not have even read it but for being notified of having been tagged:

1, am not a party to this transaction

2, have prejudiced opinions both pro and con based on experiences

3, possess insufficient knowledge to make a reasoned comment

4, am disinclined to disparage men’s reputations based on anything but intimate knowledge of details leading a reasonable person to conclude an intentional wrong undertaken

5, prefer to avoid mob actions

6, focus on doing whatever possible to make the world a better place given limits of intellect, education and physicality

7, specifically, a disinclination for meaningless destruction without having an alternative beforehand to repair the damage required to build a better world in its place (be it on a personal or societal level).

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(This post was last modified: 09-18-2020, 01:13 PM by keto.)
(09-18-2020, 01:07 PM)DanLaw Wrote: I am staying out of this thread and frankly would not have even read it but for being notified of having been tagged:

1, am not a party to this transaction

2, have prejudiced opinions both pro and con based on experiences

3, possess insufficient knowledge to make a reasoned comment

4, am disinclined to disparage men’s reputations based on anything but intimate knowledge of details leading a reasonable person to conclude an intentional wrong undertaken

5, prefer to avoid mob actions

6, focus on doing whatever possible to make the world a better place given limits of intellect, education and physicality

7, specifically, a disinclination for meaningless destruction without having an alternative beforehand to repair the damage required to build a better world in its place (be it on a personal or societal level).

Thank you for answering as I value your experiences and fairness, my apologies for summoning you into this thread we can both delete our post if you like
#17

Posting Freak
Peachtree City, GA
My response wasn’t intended to reflect poorly on you. In some respects relieved you enjoined me so could comment having been solicited

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(09-18-2020, 01:15 PM)DanLaw Wrote: My response wasn’t intended to reflect poorly on you. In some respects relieved you enjoined me so could comment having been solicited

Thanks for that.

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#19
(09-18-2020, 05:24 AM)chainsaw Wrote:
(09-18-2020, 05:01 AM)andrewjs18 Wrote:
(09-18-2020, 04:28 AM)chainsaw Wrote: Thanks GlazedBoker for bringing this to our attention (& george1906 for the Shave Nook source). Considering this & the Paradigm Diamondback 30% discount on blemished razors debacle that happened just recently (can not find that thread - can anyone help me there) I am becoming pretty wary of Andy from Paradigm Razors.

the creator of that thread asked us to remove it as Andy made good with the person in question that the thread was about.

Thanks for the reply.

Any chance of the thread being reinstated if the OP agrees to it? I just think people should have access to the background evidence of that post so they can see the whole story of what happened & make a judgement for themselves regarding Paradigm Razors response. It would also show history for issues with Paradigm Razors.

I am the OP of that thread, and I am also the one who asked for it to be taken down. simply due to the fact that; that thread served its purpose and was no longer necessary. 

Andy reached out to the customer and a few others, offered refunds and other discounts; and then made a public apology. The intention of that post was never to take Andy down, but to be utilized as more of a forcing function to nudge Andy into doing the right thing. 

Frankly, I don’t care whether or not it is reinstated... but, I really don’t see the benefit. I get that you want to illustrate a history of issues with paradigm so that readers can form a more educated opinion...

But tbh, if this is true... and Andy took $10,000 from bullgoose with no intention or effort to pay it back... I don’t think much else needs to be said....That could very well mark the end of Paradigm. Tbh, I’m surprised he wasn’t sued.

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(09-18-2020, 02:40 PM)The Chief Wrote:
(09-18-2020, 05:24 AM)chainsaw Wrote:
(09-18-2020, 05:01 AM)andrewjs18 Wrote: the creator of that thread asked us to remove it as Andy made good with the person in question that the thread was about.

Thanks for the reply.

Any chance of the thread being reinstated if the OP agrees to it? I just think people should have access to the background evidence of that post so they can see the whole story of what happened & make a judgement for themselves regarding Paradigm Razors response. It would also show history for issues with Paradigm Razors.

I am the OP of that thread, and I am also the one who asked for it to be taken down. simply due to the fact that; that thread served its purpose and was no longer necessary. 

Andy reached out to the customer and a few others, offered refunds and other discounts; and then made a public apology. The intention of that post was never to take Andy down, but to be utilized as more of a forcing function to nudge Andy into doing the right thing. 

Frankly, I don’t care whether or not it is reinstated... but, I really don’t see the benefit. I get that you want to illustrate a history of issues with paradigm so that readers can form a more educated opinion...

But tbh, if this is true... and Andy took $10,000 from bullgoose with no intention or effort to pay it back... I don’t think much else needs to be said....That could very well mark the end of Paradigm. Tbh, I’m surprised he wasn’t sued.

It is true, and I agree that he should have been sued.

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