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(This post was last modified: 10-27-2018, 11:22 PM by carbold.)
I beg to differ. Every razor I tried that doesn’t clamp the blade top and bottom (Rocca, blackbird, Paradigm, etc) has the same problem: it relies on the stiffness of the free part of the blade. If the blade is not stiff enough you get chatter. The blade cuts the hair and it’s stiff up to the instant the hair is cut, straight after that point it’s released and it vibrates down, and in doing that it’s not supported. You simply cannot compare the feel of a nicely clamped blade (Wolfman style) with the Blackbird. Sorry that’s just how it is

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#12

Merchant
San Diego CA
(10-27-2018, 11:03 PM)carbold Wrote: I beg to differ. Every razor I tried that doesn’t clamp the blade top and bottom (Rocca, game changer, blackbird, Paradigm, etc) has the same problem: it relies on the stiffness of the free part of the blade. If the blade is not stiff enough you get chatter. The blade cuts the hair and it’s stiff up to the instant the hair is cut, straight after that point it’s released and it vibrates down, and in doing that it’s not supported. You simply cannot compare the feel of a nicely clamped blade (Wolfman style) with the Blackbird. Sorry that’s just how it is

I respect an informed opinion, but I’d like to think I understand razor design better than the average bear. My several thousand customers and fans that I make a living on seem to agree.

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#13
(This post was last modified: 10-27-2018, 11:34 PM by carbold.)
That’s a slightly patronising attitude. I have tried ALL the high end razors on the market, and I speak from personal experience. I don’t gain any pleasure in criticising your Blackbird, but I just want to let the gentleman know that he is not alone in feeling what he feels when using the Blackbird. You might put it down to technique, but why should one bother trying to make the Blackbird work on their stubble, when they can get another razor (for me Timeless or Wolfman) and it works straight away?

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#14

Member
Virginia
I had to look up blade chatter and some have said it is caused by too steep of an angle. Can you try a shallower angle and see what happens?
#15

Member
Virginia
(This post was last modified: 10-27-2018, 11:35 PM by gregcss.)
(10-27-2018, 11:28 PM)carbold Wrote: You might put it down to technique, but why should one bother trying to make the Blackbird work on their stubble, when they can get another razor (for me Timeless or Wolfman) and it works straight away?

Some products may work differently than other similar products. One example is a standard shift car. If I'm used to the gear catching when the clutch is depressed closer to the floor and then I buy a new car that catches towards the top does that mean the new car is garbage because it doesn't do what I am used to?
#16
(10-27-2018, 11:34 PM)gregcss Wrote:
(10-27-2018, 11:28 PM)carbold Wrote: You might put it down to technique, but why should one bother trying to make the Blackbird work on their stubble, when they can get another razor (for me Timeless or Wolfman) and it works straight away?

Some products may work differently than other similar products. One example is a standard shift car. If I'm used to the gear catching when the clutch is depressed closer to the floor and then I buy a new car that catches towards the top does that mean the new car is garbage because it doesn't do what I am used to?

Yes but why should I bother trying to make a razor work for me if there are many others that work naturally with no extra effort?
#17

Member
Virginia
(10-27-2018, 11:36 PM)carbold Wrote:
(10-27-2018, 11:34 PM)gregcss Wrote:
(10-27-2018, 11:28 PM)carbold Wrote: You might put it down to technique, but why should one bother trying to make the Blackbird work on their stubble, when they can get another razor (for me Timeless or Wolfman) and it works straight away?

Some products may work differently than other similar products. One example is a standard shift car. If I'm used to the gear catching when the clutch is depressed closer to the floor and then I buy a new car that catches towards the top does that mean the new car is garbage because it doesn't do what I am used to?

Yes but why should I bother trying to make a razor work for me if there are many others that work naturally with no extra effort?

There is no problem with that. Stick with your preferences. Return it and move on. Happy2
#18

Merchant
San Diego CA
(10-27-2018, 11:28 PM)carbold Wrote: That’s a slightly patronising attitude. I have tried ALL the high end razors in the market, and I speak from experience. I don’t gain any pleasure in criticising your Blackbird, but I just want to let the gentleman know that he is not alone in feeling what he feels when using the Blackbird. You might put it down to technique, but why should one bother trying to make the Blackbird work on their stubble, when they can get another razor (for me Timeless or Wolfman) and it works straight away?

I’ve always been supportive of other razor makers and continue to do so. I’ve guided potential customers to other brands several times when I think it’s in their best interest. I also welcome and encourage negative reviews and don’t believe that negativity should be stifled or ignored. But, I will always step up to defend my design decisions when I feel the criticism is incorrect or misguided. That’s all. I don’t at all mind when people don’t like my razors, but the rationale matters. No hard feelings whatsoever and if you’re ever in SF I’d love to buy you a beer. Smile

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#19
(10-27-2018, 11:39 PM)Blackland Razors Wrote:
(10-27-2018, 11:28 PM)carbold Wrote: That’s a slightly patronising attitude. I have tried ALL the high end razors in the market, and I speak from experience. I don’t gain any pleasure in criticising your Blackbird, but I just want to let the gentleman know that he is not alone in feeling what he feels when using the Blackbird. You might put it down to technique, but why should one bother trying to make the Blackbird work on their stubble, when they can get another razor (for me Timeless or Wolfman) and it works straight away?

I’ve always been supportive of other razor makers and continue to do so. I’ve guided potential customers to other brands several times when I think it’s in their best interest. I also welcome and encourage negative reviews and don’t believe that negativity should be stifled or ignored. But, I will always step up to defend my design decisions when I feel the criticism is incorrect or misguided. That’s all. I don’t at all mind when people don’t like my razors, but the rationale matters. No hard feelings whatsoever and if you’re ever in SF I’d love to buy you a beer. Smile

No hard feelings here, and just to demonstrate I’m not biased I just got rid of a brand new Wolfman WR2 because, despite all the hype, I don’t think it’s a good shaver.

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#20
(10-27-2018, 11:28 PM)carbold Wrote: That’s a slightly patronising attitude. I have tried ALL the high end razors on the market, and I speak from personal experience. I don’t gain any pleasure in criticising your Blackbird, but I just want to let the gentleman know that he is not alone in feeling what he feels when using the Blackbird. You might put it down to technique, but why should one bother trying to make the Blackbird work on their stubble, when they can get another razor (for me Timeless or Wolfman) and it works straight away?
I mean, YMMV?

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