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(This post was last modified: 08-18-2016, 02:06 AM by brucered.)
Most of what I see from today's modern razors, is cloning or borrowing ideas from 100y old razors. Making them overkill out of stainless and then charging big bucks for them or making low cost versions of unobtainable vintage designs. There is money in all of them, but there is nothing innovative coming to market.

I don't think there is much to perfect in terms of razors cutting whiskers. Gillette will continue to pump out expensive cartridge razors but their peak was the vintage DE years or the New, Tech, Adjustable and Executives etc. We'll see what happens if they finally release the revamped Tech in AOS stores that has been the topic of discussion in the past year.

What successful innovations have we seen in modern razors lately?

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#12

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Nashville, TN
(08-18-2016, 01:48 AM)wyze0ne Wrote:
(08-17-2016, 09:58 PM)Pete123 Wrote: This could really drive innovation. Many folks, myself included, believe that OneBlade invented a better mouse trap. 3-D printing would allow folks wanting to improve the shaving experience to try many different options without spending a lot.

The way the process works is that whatever you can enter into CAD software, it can print. So, let's say an inventor wanted to try a feature with five different angles. They could print the five angles and let folks try each one.

How much more "innovation" is needed in shaving though? That's what Gillette keeps trying to do with their vibrating 5 bladed gimmicks. I get the best shaves of my life using 100 year old razors. I don't really see the need for improving upon it, especially for the price of some these. The 3D printing is a cool way to make new designs though, but I just don't see any of the minor tweaks in a blade holding device making that much difference in the actual shave. Just my 2 cents...

I'm not seeing this the way you do. First, I would not call what Gillette is doing innovation in the context I was referring to. They are really putting effort into changing the product enough to charge much more and using good marketing to drive revenue. I'm talking about innovation to improve the product.

My experience is different than yours. My experience is that the OneBlade is better than a 100 year old Gillette.

I also assert that there is always room for effective innovation. There is often a natural human tendency to reduce change. My career has involved bringing improvement to companies. I can't tell you how many times I've been told, "It's worked just fine for twenty years", only to be told within a few short months that they don't know how they lived without it.

3D printing enables innovation that King Gillette could never have achieved until they hit the big time. It enables innovation by allowing much more experimentation.

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#13

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Nashville, TN
(08-18-2016, 02:04 AM)brucered Wrote: Most of what I see from today's modern razors, is cloning or borrowing ideas from 100y old razors. Making them overkill out of stainless and then charging big bucks for them or making low cost versions of unobtainable vintage designs. There is money in all of them, but there is nothing innovative coming to market.

I don't think there is much to perfect in terms of razors cutting whiskers. Gillette will continue to pump out expensive cartridge razors but their peak was the vintage DE years or the New, Tech, Adjustable and Executives etc. We'll see what happens if they finally release the revamped Tech in AOS stores that has been the topic of discussion in the past year.

What successful innovations have we seen in modern razors lately?

The innovation I have experienced from a new way of shaving is from the OneBlade. I'm not the only one that feels that way.
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Southern Ohio
Waiting for the 3D printed straight razor....

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Detroit
And there it is....the almighty OneBlade. I just don't see how the shave could be THAT much better than what I get from my vintage GEMs using the SAME blade. I believe a lot of it is the placebo effect of "I paid $300 for this razor. Its got to be superior to anything else out there." Not trying to knock anyone who uses it, this is just my point of view.

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(This post was last modified: 08-18-2016, 05:57 PM by Pete123.)
(08-18-2016, 03:51 PM)wyze0ne Wrote: And there it is....the almighty OneBlade. I just don't see how the shave could be THAT much better than what I get from my vintage GEMs using the SAME blade. I believe a lot of it is the placebo effect of "I paid $300 for this razor. Its got to be superior to anything else out there." Not trying to knock anyone who uses it, this is just my point of view.

These comments make a lot of assumptions which don't take into account the many factors that impact the how a razor performs as well as different assumptions on which you have no personal experience. Assumptions that lack experience or other supporting information simply don't have credibility with me.

I have no doubt that there are many whose body features are such that they get performance from vintage razors that match the OneBlade for them.

I also know what my personal experience is showing me.

Considering what many people spend on wet shaving, I don't see the cost of the OneBlade as being that expensive.
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(This post was last modified: 08-18-2016, 05:52 PM by hrfdez.)
(08-18-2016, 03:51 PM)wyze0ne Wrote: And there it is....the almighty OneBlade. I just don't see how the shave could be THAT much better than what I get from my vintage GEMs using the SAME blade. I believe a lot of it is the placebo effect of "I paid $300 for this razor. Its got to be superior to anything else out there." Not trying to knock anyone who uses it, this is just my point of view.


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I own one, but is just one of many nice razors I own. I get a good shave from it, but I also get a good shave from my 1912. I kind of understand your point, but I don't believe it is superior or that it is superior because it cost $300.00 smackers. I can't speak for others, but this is how I see it.

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#18

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Detroit
(08-18-2016, 05:46 PM)Pete123 Wrote:
(08-18-2016, 03:51 PM)wyze0ne Wrote: And there it is....the almighty OneBlade. I just don't see how the shave could be THAT much better than what I get from my vintage GEMs using the SAME blade. I believe a lot of it is the placebo effect of "I paid $300 for this razor. Its got to be superior to anything else out there." Not trying to knock anyone who uses it, this is just my point of view.

These comments make a lot of assumptions which don't take into account the many factors that impact the how a razor performs as well as different assumptions on which you have no personal experience. Assumptions that lack experience or other supporting information simply don't have credibility with me.

I have no doubt that there are many whose body features are such that they get performance from vintage razors that match the OneBlade for them.

I also know what my personal experience is showing me.

Considering what many people spend on wet shaving, I don't see the cost of the OneBlade as being that expensive.

Two questions:

What do you know about my experience?

and

Have you ever used a vintage GEM to compare with the OneBlade?

It seems you are making some assumptions as well...
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Nashville, TN
(This post was last modified: 08-18-2016, 09:14 PM by Pete123.)
No, I'm not making assumptions.

What I know of your experience is that you haven't shaved with a OneBlade because you indicated as much above.

Yes, I have shaved with a GEM, it's a great razor, but what I get with the OneBlade is a better experience.  I wind up with nicks and weepers with the older razors that use the GEM blade.  Same with all of the double edge razors I have.  Consider for a moment differences between a vintage GEM and the OneBlade.  I'm sure there are many more differences, though here are a few:

  • The GEM is more aggressive as judged by the amount of blade exposed.
  • I'm thinking that the GEM razor has different angles, though can't say for sure.
  • While both razors can use the same blade, it is de-spined in one, but not the other.  Not sure if that makes a difference in the shave, though it is a difference
  • The OneBlade has a spring loaded pivoting head.  What I'm starting to learn is that part of optimum performance for the OneBlade is to have the razor flat against your face and let the spring determine both the amount of pressure and angle.


As I mentioned above, I have no doubt that many people, such as hrfdez, get just as good of a shave with multiple different razors.  I also believe, from my personal experience, as well as the quantity of people of people who agree with me, that OneBlade really has created a better mouse trap for folks like me.

I received my OneBlade as a gift and decided I wouldn't like it as I couldn't imagine a razor being worth that much.  I almost sold it.  What I have come to see is that I keep reaching for the OneBlade.

From a debate viewpoint, you backed yourself into a corner by making a blanket statement around a product you haven't personally used and supporting your argument based on the razors using the same blade without thinking about any of the other factors.

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