wolfman pricing discussion

The new system seems to be working well....theres an ad for a BBS-1 today....and absolutely chatter-free.
Bliss.

andrewjs18, I don't know anything regarding the technology behind this forum so if this is a stupid question, please excuse my ignorance. But would it be possible to allow the OP to make the determination of whether or not to lock a BST thread? Maybe it could be an option in the Post Thread section right under the WTT, WTS, Closed, etc drop down menu.

I only ask because I like the fact questions can be asked within the thread because it's possible more than one person has the same question. And there are times a question is asked that I hadn't thought of which is helpful to me. Granted, the negative comments in a thread can be an issue and it's unfortunate you and the mods have to spend time on this. But your time and commitment is appreciated!

I am not sure if this new system will let the seller respond to or modify the original thread. If so, I think that having all communications via PM would be okay and let the seller decide what should be added. For example if someone ask about blade gap because it was omitted, the seller could change it or if a couple of folks ask about shipping to foreign country, the seller could post that.

It is really sad to see BST come down to this, but what does one do when folks blatantly disregard the terms which starts a back and forth of comments that totally hijacks the thread?

I am not sure if this new system will let the seller respond to or modify the original thread. If so, I think that having all communications via PM would be okay and let the seller decide what should be added. For example if someone ask about blade gap because it was omitted, the seller could change it or if a couple of folks ask about shipping to foreign country, the seller could post that.

It is really sad to see BST come down to this, but what does one do when folks blatantly disregard the terms which starts a back and forth of comments that totally hijacks the thread?

Good point on the option to PM with questions, and the seller can edit and add info if he/she so desires. 

I also like the idea of the seller having a menu option to allow comments or not.

OTOH, allowing comments for all sales, and locking the thread on a case by case basis is another possibility that occurs to me. 

I don't necessarily follow sales threads, but this is the first I've seen that went so haywire ... due to one stubborn individual. 

Pity to see the baby thrown out with the bathwater because of one incident. IMHO.

I prefer locking ALL sales threads. That is how most ads are done. Just PM the seller with any questions. Makes it much simpler. The admins don't need to get involved. No drama. You can still hit the LIKE button to your hearts content

Saw that the most recent BBS-1 thread is showing as closed, leaving the seller to explain. Really, this seems like an overreach. So there is the occasional bitching and moaning about a razor being sold. Why legislate an imperfect solution because of one or two bad actors? Just suspend them for a week and be done with it.

I prefer locking ALL sales threads. That is how most ads are done. Just PM the seller with any questions. Makes it much simpler. The admins don't need to get involved. No drama. You can still hit the LIKE button to your hearts content

This is actually not a bad idea, not opposed to this at all.

I am not against locking comments nor for it: it's the prerogative of the admins as it should be.

I do want to point out that locking comments (censure) to support free market trading is hypocritical. A free market does not exist without free speech. That's fine though: just be honest about what exists and why. Find the solution that works best for its intent and don't be bothered to label it.

The transactions on reddit's shave_bazaar are different than here, and that's good for both. People have options and it's not productive for anyone to aim to make one like the other.

Lastly, I'm glad this BST post was able to fulfill its role and also facilitate discussion. Interesting read.

Saw that the most recent BBS-1 thread is showing as closed, leaving the seller to explain.

Then the sellers have to learn to explain better.
In any case, I think you are allowed to edit your posts at all times.

The only problem I see...what if you have a shady seller and there's no way to warn unsuspecting buyers?
I get the no price comments, but I'd appreciate someone not taking my money and not shipping.

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shoot the user a PM if you think they should be aware of something.  we're talking high end, very expensive razors.  I would hope someone does their due diligence before plopping down big money on a razor.

There is no perfect system. I prefer blocking the Wolfman thread from comments. It is the buyer's responsibility to do due diligence when making a purchase.

indeed!

I think a good compromise would be if the seller lists the retail price atleast so that the buyer is informed. I've seen that in other WTS posts. I believe integrity ties into clear communication. Especially when it comes to an item that has a premium asking price.

this puts A LOT of burden on the moderation team to ensure that the rules are being followed.

Wow, I just read this whole thread. I agree with the admin that all Wolfman threads need locked because this is ridiculous. In fact I think ALL bst thread needs locked. I have many hobbies and one of them in collecting fine luxury putters. These putters can sell from $500-$15,000+ and on that forum all bst are locked and to be honest it is a better forum because of that. Just .02, but I agree with the admin on this issue

we'll try it for the wolfman threads for now and see how it does.  if broader restrictions need to be applied, we can certainly cross that bridge!

This is the only way to get the trolls off of the BST threads.

let's hope so!

The new system seems to be working well....theres an ad for a BBS-1 today....and absolutely chatter-free.
Bliss.

glad to see it is working as we designed it to!

andrewjs18, I don't know anything regarding the technology behind this forum so if this is a stupid question, please excuse my ignorance.  But would it be possible to allow the OP to make the determination of whether or not to lock a BST thread?  Maybe it could be an option in the Post Thread section right under the WTT, WTS, Closed, etc drop down menu.

I only ask because I like the fact questions can be asked within the thread because it's possible more than one person has the same question.  And there are times a question is asked that I hadn't thought of which is helpful to me.  Granted, the negative comments in a thread can be an issue and it's unfortunate you and the mods have to spend time on this.  But your time and commitment is appreciated!

it certainly should be possible, but may require a plugin and/or additional coding. I can look into it over the next week or two.

I am not sure if this new system will let the seller respond to or modify the original thread. If so, I think that having all communications via PM would be okay and let the seller decide what should be added. For example if someone ask about blade gap because it was omitted, the seller could change it or if a couple of folks ask about shipping to foreign country, the seller could post that.

It is really sad to see BST come down to this, but what does one do when folks blatantly disregard the terms which starts a back and forth of comments that totally hijacks the thread?

the seller/OP as well as mods/admins should be able to edit their original post and reply to them, even if they're locked to all other users. currently this only applies to wolfman threads in the bst forum section.

you basically reiterated the exact frustration we have when it comes to wolfman threads....all of them. we're sick and tired of dealing with the trolls who just cannot move on to keep things peaceful. something had to be done.

Saw that the most recent BBS-1 thread is showing as closed, leaving the seller to explain. Really, this seems like an overreach. So there is the occasional bitching and moaning about a razor being sold. Why legislate an imperfect solution because of one or two bad actors? Just suspend them for a week and be done with it.

this one is on me. we finished tweaking and testing the code last night at like 1am EST and I didn't really feel like writing up a post as to why things were done last night. I'll make an announcement shortly.

I am not against locking comments nor for it: it's the prerogative of the admins as it should be.

I do want to point out that locking comments (censure) to support free market trading is hypocritical. A free market does not exist without free speech. That's fine though: just be honest about what exists and why. Find the solution that works best for its intent and don't be bothered to label it.

The transactions on reddit's shave_bazaar are different than here, and that's good for both. People have options and it's not productive for anyone to aim to make one like the other.

Lastly, I'm glad this BST post was able to fulfill its role and also facilitate discussion. Interesting read.

people are still free to send/receive PMs if they have any questions/comments/concerns about the price of an item. to be fair though, this seems to ONLY be a problem for wolfman threads.....always. the trolls get fired up when someone asks $.10 over the retail price for a wolfman that James sells them at...never seemingly taking into consideration the time involved in actually trying to buy one from James, shipping costs, insurance, packaging, etc... time = money....and some people are willing to pay more to get it immediately.

we have to strike a balance when running a forum between enacting/enforcing some rules and allowing trolls to overrun the discussions. we decided that it's better to have some, minimal rules rather than letting a few people drag down a very active part of the site.