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(01-08-2017, 10:09 PM)Marcos Wrote: When I first started with DE I picked up a DE89. Couldn't stand it. It took way too many passes to accomplish what my Fusion could do in a single pass. I eventually sold the razor and didn't go back to DE for a couple of years. I wish I started with a nice med aggressive razor that was efficient from the get go and that would also teach me immediately about light pressure. Oh well live and learn

So what do you use now?
#32

Member
Northern NJ
Currently using and ATT R2 and a ATT SE2 old version. After I ditched the DE 89 I went to a Cobra Classic and the a Folding DX and a Japanese SS.
#33
I would suggest a new user try a Maggar brand razor.
You can start with a basic V3 head, and a basic handle MR1 for around 20 bucks.

From there you can change handles, for size and weight, etc. and also swap out heads to see if another type would suit you better.
The have The V3A Head which is a bit more aggressive than the V3, A Open comb the V2 and a slant head.

This will allow any new shaver to experiment with four different types of heads and find a handle that fits just great.
Best thing about this, when you swap heads say to try a slant razor, you have isolated that one variable, leaving the rest as they are.
This way you know for sure it is the head and not the fact that the rest of the shavers geometry did not add to the difference.

Once you find just what you like, you can them move on to collecting every razor of that type that has ever been created.
#34
Let's push the theory to the extreme and lay down the rule that no newbie can try a DE or SE without first spending at least two weeks learning to use a straight.  Evilgrin

I'm only half-joking. There's nothing like a straight for learning "zero pressure" and "effective angle", and once you attain a basic level of competence any other razor looks easy. Food for thought?
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Sophisticated Stooge
Corpus Christi, TX
(This post was last modified: Yesterday, 12:26 AM by merelymoe. Edit Reason: grammar )
(02-18-2017, 11:44 PM)Viseguy Wrote: There's nothing like a straight for learning "zero pressure" and "effective angle", and once you attain a basic level of competence any other razor looks easy.

This statement sums up the gist of my argument perfectly. A straight or "aggressive" DE/SE will let you know in the first few shaves what "zero pressure" and "effective angle" really are. I know that for me, I could pick up any DE/SE with ease as my technique was dialed in during my trial by fire with the R41. In turn, I am able to appreciate the other features and nuances of a new razor without worrying about being "bitten" by what others might label aggressive.
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(Yesterday, 12:26 AM)merelymoe Wrote:
(02-18-2017, 11:44 PM)Viseguy Wrote: There's nothing like a straight for learning "zero pressure" and "effective angle", and once you attain a basic level of competence any other razor looks easy.
This statement sums up the gist of my argument perfectly.  A straight or "aggressive" DE/SE will let you know in the first few shaves what "zero pressure" and "effective angle" really are.  I know that for me, I could pick up any DE/SE with ease as my technique was dialed in during my trial by fire with the R41.  In turn, I am able to appreciate the other features and nuances of a new razor without worrying about being "bitten" by what others might label aggressive.
Granted, but -- to play the devil's advocate to my devil's advocate  Evilgrin Angel Evilgrin -- so much depends on the individual. Some may be driven away by an early bad experience with an aggressive razor, others may feel motivated to overcome the challenge. So my bottom line is, "whatever works for you" -- much as I'd like to see all beginners at least try a straight.  Smile
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