#111
I'll copy what I wrote at SN, and add some things:

First, Phil paid for a service that was never provided. He claims Andy has no money, and the texts seem to buttress this claim, but Andy is still producing razors. So Andy does have money, just not the full $10k. If I were Phil, I would seek damages in court. While it is unfortunate about Andy's wife, that does nothing to lessen the debt owed Phil. Moreover, Andy's wife absconded with the money many months prior to the payment being made from Phil to Andy.

Now, I own none of these razors, so I have no horse in this game. I will say that Phil has been astoundingly patient. If I were in his shoes, I would have taken Andy to court, garnished his wages, put liens on any property he owns, until I was paid back in full. The other offers that Andy made Phil aren't relevant, because that was not the deal agreed to when the purchase was made.

Regarding the intellectual property claim against Phil, I am not so sure. Phil has a different design. 17-4 is a common metal. Does Andy have a trademark/copywrite? These are all unknown. Regardless, how can Andy seek damages against Phil when Phil has not yet released his razor? And, how does Andy know the razor is identical?

Given the amount of copycating/re-releasing with marginal improvements that happens in this industry, I can't really see how Andy could quantify his damages, especially when any damages would be the result of failing to fulfill his obligation to Phil, or, alternately, repay the debt + interest. Andy could have fulfilled the contract, evidenced by the fact that he is still producing his own razors. At no point has Andy stopped pursuing money-making ventures. With Phil's money, apparently.

Not trying to throw gas on the fire, just summarizing as I see it. Please correct me if I am wrong anywhere. The bottom line seems to me to be Phil is still owed a significant amount of money. If I were Andy, I'd make completing my half of the deal my first priority. Only a matter of time until Phil goes legal.

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#112

Living on the edge
well, thanks to this thread, at least I found out that a 17-4 razor costs the retailer $195.
Good to know.

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#113

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(This post was last modified: 09-18-2020, 10:44 PM by Paradigm Shaveware.)
I have no claim at all on the metal! I was given to understand it was the same design. 

I cannot make this clearer. The desire to make restitution was communicated as soon as I felt I would have the money in hand. Nothing has changed.
#114

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(09-18-2020, 10:35 PM)Paradigm Shaveware Wrote: I have no claim at all on the metal! I was given to understand it was the same design. 

I cannot make this clearer. The desire to make restitution was communicated as soon as I felt I would have the money in hand. Nothing has changed.

Clearly there was never a meeting of the minds.
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#115
(09-18-2020, 10:35 PM)Paradigm Shaveware Wrote: I have no claim at all on the metal! I was given to understand it was the same design. 

I cannot make this clearer. The desire to make restitution was communicated as soon as I felt I would have the money in hand. Nothing has changed.


How much do you owe WCS?


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(09-18-2020, 10:35 PM)Paradigm Shaveware Wrote: I cannot make this clearer. The desire to make restitution was communicated as soon as I felt I would have the money in hand. Nothing has changed.


It’s been nearly two years. If you’re truly trying to clear the air, repair your image, and right wrongs - which of the following is meaningful?

Communicating “a desire to make restitution” 
Actually paying back a significant portion of what is owed (or the full amount)

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#117
Very enlightening conversation. Given what I’ve read here I’d NEVER purchase anything from Paradigm or anything they’re involved with. There are plenty of ethical companies to deal with.

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(09-18-2020, 10:57 PM)george1906 Wrote:
(09-18-2020, 10:35 PM)Paradigm Shaveware Wrote: I have no claim at all on the metal! I was given to understand it was the same design. 

I cannot make this clearer. The desire to make restitution was communicated as soon as I felt I would have the money in hand. Nothing has changed.


How much do you owe WCS?


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Again, how much is owed to WCS by Paradigm. I know there is a debt there too. Andy, can you answer that question honestly or do a number of us need to contact West Coast Shaving for some more information? Seems like a pattern and I hope Mo runs as far away as possible!


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#119

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Closing for now.

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