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As much as I have tried I cannot get these boutique soaps to lather worth a tinker's damn. Angry I had the same problem with Mystic Water soap and the issue is that where I live the water is harder than a whore's heart. They all make a feeble watery goop that is worthless. I have no problem with B&M or any other variety of hard soaps that seem to be tweaked just for this very problem whereas some boutique makers do not. I only wished they put this disclaimer on their products to prevent troubles for others. Such is life. I am throwing in the sponge.
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Member
Peachtree City, GA
Try using distilled water. Inexpensive way to get great consistent lather
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#3
L&L should be easy to lather.......

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#4

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Ferndale, MI
Hard water has got to be the issue for you then. Both of those soaps lather like a dream for me with T+S being the easier of the two. I guess try bottled water. I don't know if I'd be willing to go to those lengths just to use a certain shave soap though.
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#5
I thought L&L was designed for use in hard water?

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Using distilled or bottled water shouldn't be that big a deal - you really don't use very much water to soak your brush and produce a lather. Less than a cup I would think. Its really too bad that you can't get those soaps to work for you because they're top performers in my water softened opinionSmile
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#7
Skip the tap and try them both with a bottle of your favorite water. Have a drink and throw some in a mug and hit the microwave. Hard water sucks for my skin and if you use natural hair brushes, give it a shot and you won't need to clean your knots as frequently or ever. Best of luck to your next shaves BPman.
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(This post was last modified: 11-27-2017, 07:38 AM by Mr_Smartepants.)
I've got crazy-hard water and L&L lathers like a dream. Are you sure you're loading the brush sufficiently?
The old axiom "use more product" may apply here.
Now...T&S is a different formula altogether. I had issues lathering T&S also and had to load the brush a LOT and work the lather up from a paste (little water at a time).
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(This post was last modified: 11-27-2017, 07:54 AM by Matsilainen. Edit Reason: Grammar )
BPman, I used to have very hard water. I can sympathize with the Mystic Water Soap issues, as it can be a “picky” soap. On the other hand, L&L Grooming and Tallow + Steel have always lathered like a dream for me, no matter what the water conditions.

I have just two suggestions: 1) If you haven’t already tried a synthetic brush and don’t mind doing so, give one a shot. 2) Load more soap than you ever think you might need, and then add only very little water at a time when building the lather.

(I’ve noticed that too much water at a time, or splaying the brush too vigorously, can thin out the lather or introduce too much air into it. Painting strokes and adding just a little water at a time may help.)

Sorry to hear about the issues. Hopefully some tips on this thread could provide a key for things to improve. In my book, they really are good soaps, all of them.
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(11-27-2017, 06:34 AM)zaclikestoshave Wrote: Skip the tap and try them both with a bottle of your favorite water. Have a drink and throw some in a mug and hit the microwave. Hard water sucks for my skin and if you use natural hair brushes, give it a shot and you won't need to clean your knots as frequently or ever. Best of luck to your next shaves BPman.

I want to second what zaclikestoshave says about brushes - I have soft water and I've never had to clean a knot. There just isn't any buildup of any kind that I can notice and I've been doing this for 5+ years.
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